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Old 11-18-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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The first thing he needs to do on St. Andrews Boulevard is put signs that tell motorists early and frequently which lanes they should get in to go to Calhoun Street, James Island and Folly Beach, and Cannon Street, and more signs at the fork before the bridge and connector. The first two months I lived here, I took stabs at it because I couldn't remember which lanes went where. Think of all the motorists who travel on the bridge that leads to Cannon Street when they would have been better off using Calhoun Street. And even on the bridge that leads to Cannon Street, the signs that show you which way to Cannon and to Lockwood are so worn out you can barely read them. They need to be large and clear so that motorists don't change lanes at the last second or get railroaded into going where they don't mean to go.

 
Old 11-18-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: TPA
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I use my car less often than you think, I'm a big proponent of a more walk able Chs. IMO it brings communities together.
Okay, I'm confused. So now you're saying you want a more walkable Charleston. A minute ago you were saying you want residents to have top priority in parking and everyone else learn how to use pub trans (which is inadequate). So if residents are driving everywhere and everyone else is on a bus or trolley, how is that making things walkable?

Charleston is already walkable. Doesn't mean its comfortable or convenient. I don't see how it can get anymore walkable. The only thing that would make Charleston more walkable is if the city fixes all our Mount Everest-esque sidewalks and adds more shady palmettos.

Making something usable for the entire populous (residents, students, workers, tourists, business clients, etc.) brings the community together, rather than just wanting what suits residents (your definition of). Okay so some residents dont want a cruise terminal, but have you thought about how it might affect everyone else, in good and bad ways? Or just you?

If you want the city to come together and be a community, then how about both sides come to compromise and learn how to work together on Sgt Jasper, the cruise terminal, 526, parking issues, building issues, hotel issues, bar close time issues, crime issues, etc? Rather than a "yall vs them". Wouldnt that get things done a lot faster? Once you remove the politics and the "me" mentality? Then we could all live happy.

As for the car, so do I.
 
Old 11-18-2015, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Downtown
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Okay, I'm confused. So now you're saying you want a more walkable Charleston. A minute ago you were saying you want residents to have top priority in parking and everyone else learn how to use pub trans (which is inadequate). So if residents are driving everywhere and everyone else is on a bus or trolley, how is that making things walkable?

Charleston is already walkable. Doesn't mean its comfortable or convenient. I don't see how it can get anymore walkable. The only thing that would make Charleston more walkable is if the city fixes all our Mount Everest-esque sidewalks and adds more shady palmettos.

Making something usable for the entire populous (residents, students, workers, tourists, business clients, etc.) brings the community together, rather than just wanting what suits residents (your definition of). Okay so some residents don't want a cruise terminal, but have you thought about how it might affect everyone else, in good and bad ways? Or just you?

If you want the city to come together and be a community, then how about both sides come to compromise and learn how to work together on Sgt Jasper, the cruise terminal, 526, parking issues, building issues, hotel issues, bar close time issues, crime issues, etc? Rather than a "yall vs them". Wouldnt that get things done a lot faster? Once you remove the politics and the "me" mentality? Then we could all live happy.

As for the car, so do I.
I'm not in favor of non-owner occupied residents having non metered street parking privileges downtown overnight (access to resident parking stickers, just because they rent)

By a more walk-able CHS, I meant shutting down roads for pedestrians to walk (similar to what they do King St, except hopefully something more permanent in the future).

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Old 11-19-2015, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Bishkek/Charleston
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Will the cruise ship terminal tie in at all to that huge facade that's propped up just off East Bay Street? Somebody has to be saving that thing for a reason.
Said it before. Think ahead, think Big, think for the future, think Drum Island. Make it all Cruise Terminal, out of the way of everyone.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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Said it before. Think ahead, think Big, think for the future, think Drum Island. Make it all Cruise Terminal, out of the way of everyone.
Said it before, you're not thinking ahead or big. The newer cruise ships won't fit under the Ravenel Bridge.

 
Old 11-19-2015, 07:31 AM
 
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Said it before. Think ahead, think Big, think for the future, think Drum Island. Make it all Cruise Terminal, out of the way of everyone.
Ill say the indians need to buy drum island and put a big casino there. Forget about the cruise terminal.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: North Charleston, SC
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Drum Island is for spoil from constant dredging. Laurel Island, however, is available and for sale!

But moving the terminal doesn't really do anything. You're still going to have a cruise ship slowly sailing by. You're still going to have everyone that wants to tour Charleston come into the city, except you can add slow-accelerating buses to the menu, picking them up and dropping them off.

Also, I say we close down King from Market to Calhoun to pedestrians only. It really shouldn't be a heavily traveled route and some of the cars are dangerously close to the sidewalks anyway. There are plenty of other routes for people to get from 26/17 or NoMo to the Battery if needbe.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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I've agreed with a lot of what you have said over the past week, but on this we disagree. Students are not more than temporary renters. They don't invest in anything here and attempt to abuse their privilege of being "present" within municipal boundaries to influence votes then bail years later. Shelling out $5,000 for classes and to use a room filled with dated tapestries, a mini fridge, a George Foreman Grill, and a collection of beer bottle caps you find colorful and original does not make you Charleston, nor any of the metro area. You're the longer-term equivalent of a relative coming to stay at your house for a week and trying to change the color scheme of the bathroom.

No offense, but this same story is repeated over and over again, on C-D, reddit, City paper. "I'M A RESIDENT, TOO!" Yet, they blast conservatives, bash anyone that doesn't like Bernie Sanders, and complain about the high prices of restaurants, rent, and everything else in the area considered the norm for residents. "WAHHHH Cocktail Club is too expensive!!!" says no Charleston RESIDENT ever.

I've been through under and post graduate school and I would never consider myself a resident of any of the places I stayed for school. I was taught that purchasing/investing in property is another story. If you think your opinion is as equal as someone like Chs2014 or the infamous poster William Hamilton (he posts on every local dispute in City Paper and the P&C), you're wrong. Those people are Charleston.

Call me when you have contributed to local campaigns and invested in local companies to the tune of at least a few thousand. Or at least have a mortgage.
Eh, I don't think you get to be upset with the presence and college students and their cars when you choose to live downtown where 1/3 of all residents are college students, whose parents are a large part of why your house is more valuable than it was 5 years ago.

I'll also say that your relationship between financial investment and residency is...misguided, to say the least.

Let's all just admit that until west ash/ji/mt.p/di/n.chs are all interconnected and not their own isolated places (which no amount of parking garages or restrictions will fix), cars will be necessary for everyone, including those who have been here for many years and those that may leave after 4.

And just as an aside, as a city we should encourage college students to feel a sense of ownership and investment in this city because a) the college will always be a large presence downtown and b) Charleston only stands to benefit from a more robust and diverse economy when graduates choose to stay and build careers here, rather than leave only to return as tourists.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: North Charleston, SC
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Eh, I don't think you get to be upset with the presence and college students and their cars when you choose to live downtown where 1/3 of all residents are college students, whose parents are a large part of why your house is more valuable than it was 5 years ago.

I'll also say that your relationship between financial investment and residency is...misguided, to say the least.

Let's all just admit that until west ash/ji/mt.p/di/n.chs are all interconnected and not their own isolated places (which no amount of parking garages or restrictions will fix), cars will be necessary for everyone, including those who have been here for many years and those that may leave after 4.

And just as an aside, as a city we should encourage college students to feel a sense of ownership and investment in this city because a) the college will always be a large presence downtown and b) Charleston only stands to benefit from a more robust and diverse economy when graduates choose to stay and build careers here, rather than leave only to return as tourists.
A third is quite a bit of an exaggeration. And their value is questionable as well. No disrespect but college students aren't a huge target demographic for people that spend money. Maybe in the PBR and Ramen industry...

I don't disagree about the need for parking solutions, but I don't know enough about it to comment. I firmly believe that if the city was handing out a limited number of free parking passes, the permanent residents should get first dibs. In Charleston or any other municipality on the planet.

My bias towards renters and temporary residents comes from my knowledge of myself in college, as well as most college students in my past and those currently: college kids think they know everything when they don't have any experience nor realistic knowledge of the real world. This is their bias and it's immovable. That's the problem. They fight for a bike lane on the bridge so they don't have to pay downtown prices, don't have to afford a car, and want to live in Avondale and get to class without worrying about parking. Yet if a study was run and let's say only 50 bicycles cross that bridge each commute, the lane isn't justified. Then they fight tooth and nail for the 50 bicycles and are unwavering in their opinion.

I was like this when I was in college. As I get older, I realize most of politics is pointless circular garbage and compromise with respect to a representative sampling of a population is more reasonable. If 0.5% of commuters would ride a bike over that bridge, the bike lane's importance is now 0.5%.

There are a tons of other examples of their immovable radical illogical opinions, not to say they all think like this and that those outside of college don't think the same, but I wanted to stick to relevant topics at hand.

And in regards to the bias towards temporary residency, some would ask if I believe the same thing when it comes to military service in the area. I would agree, except I don't know enough about those programs and those services to comment.

Also, I normally agree that Charleston would benefit from graduates choosing to stay, but only in fields that are valuable for the economic development in the area. Many here and on other local sites agree that there is a need for high tech and research here. Those graduates sticking around only makes the academic programs stronger. A communications degree graduate staying here doesn't mean much, IMO. We already have plenty coming inbound to the area regardless of their local college attendance.
 
Old 11-19-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: TPA
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Great post, thcecchi. Ps skyscrapers I replied to you. Would like to see your feelings.
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