12-07-2017, 07:39 PM
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What are everybody's thoughts?
12-08-2017, 05:35 AM
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20 Years seems a tad excessive, when you consider WS was running from the police with a warrant. That's not to say WS deserved to die, but one's actions do help determine consequences.
12-08-2017, 06:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
843904
20 Years seems a tad excessive, when you consider WS was running from the police with a warrant. That's not to say WS deserved to die, but one's actions do help determine consequences.
I agree completely. This is what I don't understand, from the policeman's perspective:
1.) His first trial ended in a mistrial because the jury wouldn't even find him guilty of manslaughter
2.) He pleads guilty to violating WS's civil rights and excessive force
3.) He gets a longer sentence on a more severe charge than the jury was recommending in the first place
What happened there? Of course, the media is not reporting any of this or doing any in-depth analysis.
The guy did not deserve to die and Slager deserves some jail time for sure. But what happened here, I don't know.
12-08-2017, 07:10 AM
Location: Charleston, SC
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It's very difficult to determine what sentence should have been handed down. On one hand should Walter Scott's actions (running from the police) make him responsible for his fate? Did Michael Slager feel his life was in danger as the suspect ran away? It's a split second decision a police officer has to make and what about Michael Slager being charged with obstruction of justice? He apparently lied to the investigating detective immediately after the shooting. Why lie if you don't have anything to hide? He obviously realized he made a mistake and tried to cover up that mistake. This probably factored into the Judge's decision. Michael Slager also moved the taser and placed it next to Walter Scott's body away from where the original scuffle was. He knew that was wrong. I believe he deserves jail time and while no amount of jail time will bring Walter Scott back, I feel the sentence is a little excessive. Maybe 10 years would have been more appropriate. This officer made two mistakes. Shooting the suspect in the back and then trying to cover up his mistakes. This sentence certainly sends a loud and clear message to other police officers everywhere and I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to do that job.
12-08-2017, 07:44 AM
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I can't even wrap my head around the rationale that this sentence was "excessive." Wow.
12-08-2017, 08:12 AM
Location: Columbia SC
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He shot the man in the back as the man was running away. Uncalled for especially as not a life threatening situation.
12-08-2017, 09:50 AM
Location: Coastal South Carolina
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I don't think he should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder, rather manslaughter. I think he should have gotten closer to 10-15 years. I think he was wrong in what he did, but did not have intent to kill Scott before stopping him. Was not 2nd degree murder. In the heat of the moment, he was wrong, but Scott did resist arrest and attempt to take one of the officer's weapons as well as wrestle with the officer. It is wrong to shoot in the back, unless the suspect is fleeing and presents imminent danger to others.
12-08-2017, 10:58 AM
Location: Columbia SC
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I don't think he should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder, rather manslaughter. I think he should have gotten closer to 10-15 years. I think he was wrong in what he did, but did not have intent to kill Scott before stopping him. Was not 2nd degree murder. In the heat of the moment, he was wrong, but Scott did resist arrest and attempt to take one of the officer's weapons as well as wrestle with the officer. It is wrong to shoot in the back, unless the suspect is fleeing and presents imminent danger to others.
Agree on if a danger to others but as I saw the video, there were no others around.
12-08-2017, 11:32 AM
Location: Coastal South Carolina
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johngolf
Agree on if a danger to others but as I saw the video, there were no others around.
Yes, I agree, shooting in the back was not justified here. It was wrong. But, the subject did resist and wrestle with the officer, so there were other factors, no pre intent to commit murder. Manslaughter, not second degree murder.
12-08-2017, 12:09 PM
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Quote:
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843904
20 Years seems a tad excessive, when you consider WS was running from the police with a warrant. That's not to say WS deserved to die, but one's actions do help determine consequences.
I think they both were wrong but shooting at somebody running away that many times is uncalled for. Many cities are banding actions like that for example when police shot in a car that's driving away when it pose no danger.
When you go to get you cwp (conceals weapons permit) one of the things the tell you not to do is shoot someone in the back. If you do that means jail time
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Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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