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[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

Well if there had been more than one instance per case I am sure they would have shown that since it would have made their case stronger, but once again the whole numbers thing....

Lets assume that there were 100 instances per case, that is still only 29,300 instances out of 200,000,000 people Still less than .01%.

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No, Tom.

Here's the type of cases they reference:


http://archive.democrats.com/preview...nfranchisement

[OleTomCat]

That is all '04 stuff from the likes of Micheal More a know Democrat Liar...

It contains words like 'KKK Lite', 'Blacklist', 'Mysteriously Missing'. All of these are inflamatory words meant to inflame hate and hurt peoples feelings insite emotional responses, not a good thing to do in an intelletual debate on facts.

What about the Democrats trying to have the Military Absentee ballots thrown out, that doesn't disenfranchise military voters just because the primarily vote Republican?

Still doesn't change the numbers though.

[OrangeCountyGirl]

Damn you guys, it seems like every time I open up a thread you are in a sword match!!!

[OleTomCat]

Not a sword match a word match, much more fun and less painful....

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

That is all '04 stuff from the likes of Micheal More a know Democrat Liar...

It contains words like 'KKK Lite', 'Blacklist', 'Mysteriously Missing'. All of these are inflamatory words meant to inflame hate and hurt peoples feelings insite emotional responses, not a good thing to do in an intelletual debate on facts.

What about the Democrats trying to have the Military Absentee ballots thrown out, that doesn't disenfranchise military voters just because the primarily vote Republican?

Still doesn't change the numbers though.

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Tom, read the report.

Your fantasy of "numbers" just does not equate to reality, especially since a single case of voter disenfranchisement can flip an election( Fla 2000 is a great example.)


FYI, that's one of Rove's smokescreens to cover proven GOP voter intimidation: there is ZERO proof of anyone trying to disenfranchise military voters.

On the other hand, read RNC v DNC (the "New Jersey" case) where Goppers signed a consent decree not to continue to disenfranchise black voters. That's a matter of public record.

But just for fun, Point out one of Michael Moore's lies, will ya?

[OleTomCat]

Ok, watch anyone of his movies there are all the lies you need....

What fantasy, you want to use numbers I am just showing how numbers can be used, the report says 293 cases I read it, I have told you that I read it repeatedly.

Florida from a CNN report, definitely not a republican supporter:

• First, there may have been a preemptive attempt before the election to prevent members of the US military stationed overseas from voting, along with possible delays in getting completed ballots delivered properly.
• Then, after the election, there was an undeniably systematic attempt by Gore operatives in every Florida county to disqualify those whose ballots did arrive.

Get your facts straigt.....

NJ happened in 1981, try finding something a little newer?

How can a single vote flip and election?

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

Ok, watch anyone of his movies there are all the lies you need....

What fantasy, you want to use numbers I am just showing how numbers can be used, the report says 293 cases I read it, I have told you that I read it repeatedly.

Florida from a CNN report, definitely not a republican supporter:

• First, there may have been a preemptive attempt before the election to prevent members of the US military stationed overseas from voting, along with possible delays in getting completed ballots delivered properly.
• Then, after the election, there was an undeniably systematic attempt by Gore operatives in every Florida county to disqualify those whose ballots did arrive.

Get your facts straigt.....

NJ happened in 1981, try finding something a little newer?

How can a single vote flip and election?

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Not a single vote, Tom, a single case of voter disenfranchisement.

And I'd like to see your sources re: the systemic disenfranchisement of military voters.

A CNN report that contains words "may" and "possible" won't cut it.

Some specifics, like in the report you've yet to read (as witness your lack of understanding about 293 proven cases of black voter disenfranchisement vs your erronious taking that to mean 293 voters) and your (again) gross misentrepritation of dates in which those 293 cases happened (hint: last one was post-2000) would be appreciated.

Lastly, re: Michael Moore.

I'm not a blind follower of the man. His "Bowling For Columbine", while factual was, I felt, full of questionable conclusions that were open to challenge. Contrast that with his later "Fahrenheit 911", in which has facts were spot-on, and his conclusions have proven unassailable.

Here's some stuff you probably don't know:

MichaelMoore.com : Books + Films : Fahrenheit 9/11 : Teacher's Guide

From it:

MichaelMoore.com : Archive

[OleTomCat]

A single vote is a singe case of voter disenfranchisement.

Google Florida Military vote 2000, it is a CNN report not a Republican or other partisan that made the report.

CNN.com - Appeals court upholds disputed military ballots in Florida election - December 11, 2000
Judge orders Florida's military votes counted
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...ts-controversy

CNN is a very liberal network so if they give it any credance at all than you can imagine how hard that was for them to swallow.

Once again, I have read the report. All I did was show you the numbers whether it is 293 votes or 29300 votes ore 293000 votes it is still less than .1% of the electorate and there for less than negligable.

[Luvsdabeach]

Originally Posted by Luvsdabeach

Maybe someone can answer this question I have. Please pardon my ignorance as I am not a political person. Politicians tell you what you want to hear to get elected then never come through.

Anyway, with all of the northern states being blue why would someone continue to vote for a democratic government when all they have done is raised the taxes so much it's running people out of state because they can't afford the taxes?

Surely someone can answer my question. lol

[OleTomCat]

Because the number of people who don't pay taxes or who don't want to pay taxes are starting to outnumber the people who do. As quoted below:

Prof. Alexander Frazer Tytler has written, that a democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority, he said, always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits from the treasury with the result that democracy always collpases over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship. Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747–1813)

Tytler was refering to the Athenian republic that failed over 2K years ago, but appears to still hold true.