Obama as president (North: cost, vs., moving to)

[cape_fisherman]

Originally Posted by Browsing Duo

How'd that happen? Did they just pull it out of your paycheck? Bank? IRA's? I'm going to check my account and see if Bush just raised my taxes 20% too? I do know I lost 30% of my conservative IRAs this past year, but I didn't think Bush was going to tax me 20% too. Please tell us how this happened.

Lucky for you that the Pres-elect wants to put your IRA & 401-k back to August '08 levels...doesn't that make you feel good...all your recent losses will be erased!

But then he also wants to take those private accounts and put them into your Social Security "account" and pay you 3% interest on it.

How's that saying go..."the Government is coming and we know what's best for you"

[wordzgirl]

I voted for Obama. Do I really think things will change dramatically with him in office? Not really. I'm appalled that out of all the people in the US it came down to those two clowns running for president.

In Canada, they have about five or six parties that people can choose from. I know we have the Democrats and the Republicans and those other parties on the ballots that nobody ever hears anything about, but maybe it's time we change that and offer Americans a few more legitimate choices.

I voted everybody that was in office out of office. That was my political strategy. Not sure how it will play out, but change is good, right?

[DJShymansky]

Originally Posted by wordzgirl

I voted everybody that was in office out of office. That was my political strategy. Not sure how it will play out, but change is good, right?

That was a pretty popular strategy this year. I fully endorse it.

[Geechie North]

I don't know how many of you folks caught Kevin Phillips on Moyers (PBS) last night, but it was scarier than anything on the Sci Fi channel.

Phillips calls this "The Age Of Dissapointment". Here's the dynamics he sees:

A. An alliance of Wall Street financial types, minorities, and suburban whites; their respective goals are counter to a large degree.

And that's the Dems!

B. A confused GOP whose best bet is to suddenly become budget hawks, but who have introduced socialism, in a Rightwing context (contradictory as that seems), via bailouts that target the rich.

C. An electorate who does not have longterm allegiance to either major party.

D. An economy based upon on Finance/Service Sector jobs that do not have the same power to produce a Middle Class as the abandoned ( for now) Industrial Sector had.

Look to see what happens to the unused $$ from the Paulsen/Bernanke Bailouts:

If it stays with the banks then the Finance types of the Dem. coalition have won.

If it goes to the Middle Class (directly) in the form of work projects or UC benefits, then the Popluists have won.

And that will probably set the tone for the direction of the next 4 years.

[OleTomCat]

There were atleast six different candidates on the ballot for the president, of them most people voted for either the Dem or Rep, either way we all loose.

The Libertarians and the Fair Tax are the best way out of the finantial trouble we are in, jobs would floud back into the USA, companies would bring expatriated funds back here and we would have an economic boon that would make the 90's look like chump change.

[wordzgirl]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

There were atleast six different candidates on the ballot for the president, of them most people voted for either the Dem or Rep, either way we all loose.

The Libertarians and the Fair Tax are the best way out of the finantial trouble we are in, jobs would floud back into the USA, companies would bring expatriated funds back here and we would have an economic boon that would make the 90's look like chump change.

Thing is, no one knows anything about these parties. I would totally support a candidate that promoted that type of thinking, but there's no way they can compete with the Dems or the Reps. So what do we do to make them more visible?

[OleTomCat]

Vote for them send them money get involved, the more we vote for them the more publicity they get.

Look up things on the internet, you have it right here at your finger tips, another thing don't believe anything that anyone, even me, posts unless you can verfy if for yourself.

[eversonsc]

The current state of the economy is the result of GREED nothing more. Did anybody blame Clinton for the internet bubble the burst?? No! But they love to blame Bush for the Real Estate Bubble. That's all it is. GREED! The failure of real estate has created all of these problems with the credit crunch, bank problems etc.

Higher taxes are coming. You will see it. Obama had no substance to his campaign. All he said was "change". Yes change is coming everybody and you will notice it when your taxes go up and your job is lost because you are working for a small business.

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

There were atleast six different candidates on the ballot for the president, of them most people voted for either the Dem or Rep, either way we all loose.

Stop the presses! Call all the phony-baloney tv preachers and tell them the real Judgement Day is here, so if they want to unload any more time shares in Boca or pieces of the true cross they better hurry up.... cause, Tom you and I agree on this!

Up here I believe there were 8 on parties/candidate teams on our presidential ballot- including the guy I voter for: Ralph Nader.

Only way to get true equalization with the major parties is via public financing for elections, fyi.

Another FYI:

Nader was pulling between 4-8% nationally at the time of the debates. Back in the day when The League Of Women Voters ran said debates that would have been sufficient to put him on stage with Johnny M. and Barak.
Alas, since the corporations started controlling the debates (and who we see) there ain't a snowball's chance in Manaus of that happening.

[waccamatt]

Originally Posted by joanie55

I'm just wondering since I know this is a red state how people are feeling about Obama being president. I am politically liberal, but that isn't why I voted for Obama. What I really see in this is that people voted their pocketbooks - they voted for the person they thought would help them in their fight to put food on the table and a roof over their head, race not important. Am I wrong? I am thinking of moving to Charleston and although I realize it's a conservative state I guess I'm just wondering HOW conservative? The other city I'm considering moving to is Atlanta and I'm just stunned at the reactions I've seen on this election. Can someone let me know what you think is the mood of those in SC following this election? I'm just going to be honest (I'm from Missouri, the show me state, and we tend to be pretty blunt.), are people in SC so conservative that they really want to elect someone who will be basically a rerun of Bush for the past 8 years? I'm certainly not a political party nazi, but in light of the bleak global economy and the money we've spent in Iraq, which we should have never been involved in the first place, why would anyone not want a change? I guess what I'm really asking is are the people of SC capable of being open minded? Curse me if you want, just please respond. Thanks.

Yes, South Carolina is considered a "red" state, but if the Upstate of South Carolina was cut off from the rest of the state, we would be a purple or marginally blue state. Obama won Charleston County with about 55% of the vote and he won Richland County (Columbia) with about 64% of the vote. South Carolina is fairly conservative, but that is mostly from the Upstate and from rural areas. I'm what most people would consider to be very liberal and I love both Columbia and Charleston.