The Confederate flag (North: fit in, design, racist)

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

i think it was mixed bag. in slave narratives you find both extremes, brutality and a sense of connectedness in the family. many of the slave owners and family members wrote of a paternalistic nature they felt for the slaves, esp those who grew up with them as children. but you also find the most barbaric cruelty in others. So find it hard to really comment on which was most prevalent.

the quality of life varied as well from plantation and community. some in charleston were much less strident than in the countryside, some, like alot of my people (Gullah) had more freedoms on the sea islands and rice plantations and many in the city had more freedoms.

many did knw the life of the poor backcountry whites and thought not so highly of their behaviors--but most yearned to have their freedom

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I would point out the exhumation of slave bodies from common graves at numerous sites in the South- including Charleston. Compared to contemporary whites from the same locales, the slave corpses showed signs of malnutrition, numerous blunt-force traumas, and lifespans approx. 30% less.

[carolinajack]

i dont know that data, so i cant verify-so cant say whether true or false. we dont have graves or grave records of many slaves to do a thorough check and i dont know who they are compared with--as the white locals(not sure of there class or status to make an accurate comparison, but good to think about).

[sumter native]

Originally Posted by pvjd

You seem quite defensive and upset. Is it because you are unable to justify slavery, so you rant and rave and pretend that it didn't happen, and that the south is innocent of all misdeeds, and the slaves were treated as family, and they all ate pie and raised kittens? Most people are not gullible enough to believe that, but keep on trying. By the way, it doesn't matter how many southern slang words you write, or how much you slaughter the English language. It doesn't make you any more relevant, credible, or more of a southerner. Only uneducated.

Where did I say there werent slaves or even indicate that it didnt exist,and why is it yall up there think th south had a monopoly on slaves?
I dont agree with slavery ,never have and never will. Its a part of history and it cant be changed no matter what kind of books you write or what spin ya want to put on it to make yourself feel better,
My mastery of the english language is lacking because I quit school at 16 joined the army and did a couple tours
Why is it that everytime a yankee gets backed in a corner they start calling names or attack someones faults, I said that slavery was not what yankee historians and holier than thou type people are still trying to say it was.
Why doesnt anyone ever bring up that there were quite a few blacks that owned black slaves?(some of the cruelest slave owners were black)
I dont care what you think bout my credibilty due to my slaughter of the english language, I dont know proper sentance structure or puncuation,
But I know yall sure like to jump on a band wagon when it comes to things like that and I am sick and tired of people slamming the south for exactly the same things that were goin on up north,
Why is it that yall think your so much better than everyone else?
and to a fellow Southerner the way I talk isnt slang its a dialect.( I reckon yankees dont use slang as it appears it is now a southern THANG too)
Why dont yall think sherman burnt Alanta and every other major city in the south?
Why do yall think lincoln was a saint?
Why do yall try to destroy any culture orway of life that dont agree with yalls?
The only thing I think is that the war was NOT over slavery that too was a political tactic to gain support for invading the south..
Slavery was on its way out when the war started and I will admit that the war of northern aggresssion sped up the process..

Why is it that everytime a yankee is faced with facts or beliefs other than their own they start attacking trivial things like a persons ability to spell or make a sentance?Maybe its because they dont want to hear that they jest plain aint no better than anyone else..
I`ll tell ya something else,the blacks that were born and raised here are a whole lot more different than the blacks from up north and us down here can tell the difference...The blacks and whites that were born and raised here get along all the time and some of my most bestest friends in the world are black and we get along jest fine,throw in a yankee black ot white and the trouble starts..
Also if you are refering to some of my posts about the town Ilive in well it wasnt always like this, Sumter has been yankeeized severly and will never be the quiet little community it once was...
I dont need to be more of a Southerner or try to be anything I aint, I do know that I dont take cotton to yankee ideals or beliefs.
For the northerner that said sherman didnt burn Atlata I have a question for ya, In them pictures in the links I posted where it showed Atlanta after sherman went thru and everything was raised to the ground what do you think happened? A Bulldawg tailgate party gone bad?Gimme a break the little tyrant destroyed everything he could and he despised the south not Just SC...
one day maybe a yankke will come along and have a good debate without stooping to name calling or attacks on a way a person write or spells or the other person heritage..
Yall up there envy us jest go ahead and admit it....

[sumter native]

And if I was rantin and ravin like ya said there would be alot more @%$&*^&$ and a heap o )&*)^*$@*** in my posts lol...and possibly a black eye or two lmao

[sumter native]

OH NO they did have slaves up north whoda thunk it

Slave owners, slaves, and life on the plantation | American Civil War

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/...laveowners.htm

[gentlearts]

I feel sorry that a historic symbol of a geographic region with a proud heritage has been coopted by a few to be a symbol of racism.
I think that if a family, of any race, has deep roots in the south going back to before the civil war, that the confederate flag would be a proud symbol of their history.

[Geechie North]

Most Northern states abolished slavery before the Civil War.

From:http://www.factasy.com/civil_war/200...ife_plantation


That single fact contradicts the general tone of the rest of the article.

But as we've seen, the Confederate flag was exclusively about racism.

Unlike the US flag, which has racism and the fight against it, as a major backdrop.

Will get those articles on slave exhumations when time permits.

[Techgeek]

Actually Geechie North, the flag in question is the BATTLE FLAG. The flag which we are talking about was not exclusively about racism as you so uneducatedly put it.

See the actual national flag of the Confederacy was very similar in design to the national flag of the Union. When battles were joined the soldiers tended to get disoriented and when they ran out of ammo, got injured or decided to leave the battlefield for any other reason imaginable they would move toward their own flag.

The problem is that when you have two almost identical flags and disoriented soldiers on the same battlefield you get soldiers from both sides moving toward the wrong flag and getting mowed down by the soldiers surrounding it. Realizing that this was a problem, the CSA did something about it and came up with a different flag to use in battle and THAT flag is the one that everyone knows and loves.

Having two similar flags also made it difficult for military commanders on both sides to assess the battle and caused general confusion in the ranks.

So you are wrong when you say the flag is about racism because the flag you hate so much was actually designed to save lives on both sides.

[gaflsc]

Originally Posted by Techgeek

Actually Geechie North, the flag in question is the BATTLE FLAG. The flag which we are talking about was not exclusively about racism as you so uneducatedly put it.

See the actual national flag of the Confederacy was very similar in design to the national flag of the Union. When battles were joined the soldiers tended to get disoriented and when they ran out of ammo, got injured or decided to leave the battlefield for any other reason imaginable they would move toward their own flag.

The problem is that when you have two almost identical flags and disoriented soldiers on the same battlefield you get soldiers from both sides moving toward the wrong flag and getting mowed down by the soldiers surrounding it. Realizing that this was a problem, the CSA did something about it and came up with a different flag to use in battle and THAT flag is the one that everyone knows and loves.

Having two similar flags also made it difficult for military commanders on both sides to assess the battle and caused general confusion in the ranks.

So you are wrong when you say the flag is about racism because the flag you hate so much was actually designed to save lives on both sides.

True followers of history: 1
Revisionists: 0

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by Techgeek

Actually Geechie North, the flag in question is the BATTLE FLAG. The flag which we are talking about was not exclusively about racism as you so uneducatedly put it.

See the actual national flag of the Confederacy was very similar in design to the national flag of the Union. When battles were joined the soldiers tended to get disoriented and when they ran out of ammo, got injured or decided to leave the battlefield for any other reason imaginable they would move toward their own flag.

The problem is that when you have two almost identical flags and disoriented soldiers on the same battlefield you get soldiers from both sides moving toward the wrong flag and getting mowed down by the soldiers surrounding it. Realizing that this was a problem, the CSA did something about it and came up with a different flag to use in battle and THAT flag is the one that everyone knows and loves.

Having two similar flags also made it difficult for military commanders on both sides to assess the battle and caused general confusion in the ranks.

So you are wrong when you say the flag is about racism because the flag you hate so much was actually designed to save lives on both sides.

BOTH flags (Battle Flag, and the CSA's "national" flag) were and are about extreme racism. Keeping one race as property so the other race could profit.