The Confederate flag (Arial, Jefferson: purchase, college, legal)

[carolinajack]

as long as the people protest against it, we who love it for heritage, history and culture, should protest loud and proud for it. one side has made a career of protesting, and when others stand up they think it is wrong, so we we should know make it a habit of protesting for our rights too!!

Racism and all the other ism have not much validity today, seeing as the new administration has sunk so low as to stop calling terrorism, terrorism. so we should change racism to the thing people whine about when they want to manipulate others.

[Techgeek]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

BOTH flags (Battle Flag, and the CSA's "national" flag) were and are about extreme racism. Keeping one race as property so the other race could profit.

To say that any flag used by the CSA was "about racism" is a fallacy at best.

As I previously explained the flag was originally designed to save lives.

I support the flag but I am certainly not racist. I have no problem with putting a piece of our history on state owned grounds or even atop the dome of the statehouse because the flag was and is not a rally point for hate mongers.

I don't see hatred when I look at that flag. Instead I see a time when Americans on both sides were willing to fight, bleed, kill and die for what they believed in. I see a time when those beliefs were held so strongly that they were willing to dissolve the union which made them strong and go to war against their own countrymen in support of those beliefs.

I see all of that and I wonder what happened. How did we go from believing our beliefs with that kind of conviction to not being allowed to speak our minds for fear of insulting someone? How did we go from being a nation where anyone can be anything to being a nation where not conforming to the politically correct view of a simple piece of cloth gets a person labeled as a racist?

[OleTomCat]

Originally Posted by Techgeek

To say that any flag used by the CSA was "about racism" is a fallacy at best.

As I previously explained the flag was originally designed to save lives.

I support the flag but I am certainly not racist. I have no problem with putting a piece of our history on state owned grounds or even atop the dome of the statehouse because the flag was and is not a rally point for hate mongers.

I don't see hatred when I look at that flag. Instead I see a time when Americans on both sides were willing to fight, bleed, kill and die for what they believed in. I see a time when those beliefs were held so strongly that they were willing to dissolve the union which made them strong and go to war against their own countrymen in support of those beliefs.

I see all of that and I wonder what happened. How did we go from believing our beliefs with that kind of conviction to not being allowed to speak our minds for fear of insulting someone? How did we go from being a nation where anyone can be anything to being a nation where not conforming to the politically correct view of a simple piece of cloth gets a person labeled as a racist?

Now you are cloading the issue with facts and we all know how Geechie exagerates facts or totally ignores them all together...

[Techgeek]

Originally Posted by OleTomCat

Now you are cloading the issue with facts and we all know how Geechie exagerates facts or totally ignores them all together...

Yeah sorry it's a bad habit I picked up in grade school...I'm trying to quit

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by Techgeek

To say that any flag used by the CSA was "about racism" is a fallacy at best.

As I previously explained the flag was originally designed to save lives.

I support the flag but I am certainly not racist. I have no problem with putting a piece of our history on state owned grounds or even atop the dome of the statehouse because the flag was and is not a rally point for hate mongers.

I don't see hatred when I look at that flag. Instead I see a time when Americans on both sides were willing to fight, bleed, kill and die for what they believed in. I see a time when those beliefs were held so strongly that they were willing to dissolve the union which made them strong and go to war against their own countrymen in support of those beliefs.

I see all of that and I wonder what happened. How did we go from believing our beliefs with that kind of conviction to not being allowed to speak our minds for fear of insulting someone? How did we go from being a nation where anyone can be anything to being a nation where not conforming to the politically correct view of a simple piece of cloth gets a person labeled as a racist?

A little history would be nice.

I again reference the definitive PBS series:

The Civil War | PBS

[mcevoy34]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

A little history would be nice.

I again reference the definitive PBS series:

The Civil War | PBS

Don't go home mad, just take your ball and go home.............................. your boring as well........

[Techgeek]

How's this for history?

Black people owned slaves

White people were slaves

There were probably even some white folks with black owners

The slaves brought over from Africa were sold to the Europeans by other (black) Africans

No PBS series can change those facts

[Geechie North]

Pretty lousy even for basic history.

Stick with the experts is the best way to understand the process.

[OleTomCat]

What was untrue, all of what he said was true with the exception of the "There were probably even some white folks with black owner" comment.

[Geechie North]

Tom,

A few blacks (mostly in La) did own slaves; 10% of slave owners in SC were mulattoes. That's completely ignorant of the overall process and just cheerypicking facts.

The few freed blacks were trying to fit into a racist society; the mulattoes in SC were a result of a climate more like Africa than Europe which retarted the caucasian population's growth.

But the fact was/is that for every 1 free black who was a slave owner, there were 1,000 free blacks who were victims of illegal (even for the time) kidnappings so as to be re-sold into slavery.

See, if you had managed to gain your freedom as a black person in the Pre-war South, you had to always be worrying about re-enslavement. Papers showing you were free were carried on your person at ALL times, and without them, you were gone.

And that was because it was a race-based system, preservation of which was the central reason why the Confederacy was formed.

You do know that some Jews supported the Third Reich?
Does that "fact" mean the Nazis wern't antisemetic?

Oh yes, and slavery was indeed a wide-spread practice in tribal Africa, as in the Orient, and Europe for that matter, also. Defacto slavery, for the latter.
But two crucial differences for the African brand:
1. It was not race based.
2. Slaves routinely purchased their freedom.

Not so in the US version.