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Old 08-05-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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whether Wright has or hasnt lynched people is not the issue, the issue is can and do we allow for free speech. seems the left is always crying and protesting for free speech, until someone they dont like actually speaks and then it is for censorship. I hate what the KKK stands for but i love that the constitution allows them the right to say it as it allows me the right to speak against them. If one group can march and offend one group then all groups should be allowed--whether it is the Klan, the socialists, the black panthers, the gays, etc. The left always says, if you dont lilke somethings turn off the TV, but they want to censor a group not just NOT listen to their message.

I dont care for public schools dont like them or want to support them, but the government still takes my taxes to pay for it, so i think the display of The confederate flag by the SC gov is also ok, some wont like it but others will.
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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I'm a transplant. I moved down from Vermont in 2000 to attend the College of Charleston, and I didn't want to go back. I still love VT/ME, and go back every summer, but I don't see myself actually moving back there. I too have started to see the southerners mindset about transplants coming down here, I guess I'm getting assimilated myself.

And an example of some people's mindsets:
I've been dating my girlfriend for 2 years now. We've been talking about marriage. She grew up where her parents grew up, in rural upstate SC. She is slightly more enlightened than her parents as she got her Masters from MUSC and spent a few years in Charleston. Her parents do not want her to marry me because I'm a yankee. In fact, in a heated discussion at one point her mother said to her "If you marry that boy your father said he is not coming to the wedding". That was three months ago. I'd like to think I'm growing on them, but who knows.

Other than that, I've felt nothing but love down here. People are absolutely more mannered and polite, but you will still get a few jerks. Prepare to slow down though, things do not move quickly down here. Another example would be in the grocery store. You will be waiting in line for quite a while. Sometimes the customers strike up a conversation with the cashier, or with eachother, or maybe there just aren't enough registers open. Get used to it, accept it, and you'll get along just fine.

Oh, and one more thing. This is the bible belt, prepare yourself for it. When I was at CofC we literally had a guy standing on a milk crate on the corner bible thumping. Kids in class get into heated religious discussion when the topic has nothing to do with it. I still haven't quite figured out the best way to deal with this sort of thing, and maybe I never will.

There, my first post here was a doozy.
Dealwith what?? religion and people having views other than your own? Thats what America is, its not just all like VT where the liberal mindset and closeted religion or no religion prevails. Get used to it it is what America was founded on, Freedom of Religion, to practice publicly and privately ones religion or NOT to practice.

not sure what you have to make of it, its what the world outside of the northeast is like
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Old 08-05-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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America was founded on religious freedom.

I'm not a liberal or a conservative but my opinion is that liberals don't want to eliminate religion they want to allow all religions and beliefs. It can get crazy trying to be political correct and including ALL Religions. The conservatives I've met don't want all religions and beliefs they want others to have THEIR religion and for laws to be based on what their religions dictates.

So religious freedom in the USA -- free to practice your own religion or no religion right?...or do you mean free to practice the religion that is the most popular.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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Dealwith what?? religion and people having views other than your own? Thats what America is, its not just all like VT where the liberal mindset and closeted religion or no religion prevails. Get used to it it is what America was founded on, Freedom of Religion, to practice publicly and privately ones religion or NOT to practice.

not sure what you have to make of it, its what the world outside of the northeast is like
I'm sorry, what exactly did I do to you?

By deal with it I mean live with it in a polite fashion and not let it drive me nuts, or have it cause me to dislike a region. I grew up Catholic, so its not a matter of religion vs no religion. Baptists just happen to come off as pushy down here, they like to push their specific beliefs on you, like they're recruiting you for their specific church, it doesn't matter if you already have one. My girlfriend is Baptist and even she thinks they can be pushy and annoying. How to deal with that is what I was referring to.

Your reaction pretty much illustrates my point. New people to the south should understand the rabidness of some people's religion so they can avoid the topic if they wish. Unless they like heated debates.

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Old 08-05-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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I was raised Catholic. Went to Catholic private school until university.

When we moved to the Atlanta area we often had people try to get us to come join their church, implying ours wasn't the right one. I had never been approached like that. It was very polite....very cordial...but odd. Kind of a "Bless your heart -- you are Catholic. Y'all should come to our church."

I appreciate their enthusiasm for their religion.

It's not a big deal -- not a criticism per say, just something we noticed when we moved........SOUTH.
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Old 08-20-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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adam you didnt do anything to you, it wants an attack, it was a question about what you mean deal with it? if i go to a place that has a different culture or race than my own, i dont say how do i deal with it, i ask how do i make friends and fit in.

i guess because i have lived all over the world, i like to blend in to my new surroundings not just deal with it.

i am hard corp fundi christian but i feel comfortable around catholic majority or a jewish or even muslim majority
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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Default The North won the Civil War!!!!

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I never said it wasn't flying in the south, I also never said there wasn't racial prejudice in the south, all I am saying is that it is their rights as citizens of the United States of America to have those prejudices and to fly the flag that they want. Just as much as it is Jeromiah Write's write to voice his opinions of 'GD America', and 'White folks greed'. Prejudice on either side is covered under the First Amendment, and people like you who say 'I could give a damn less about reading the constitution' really should read it before you try to condemn someone for voicing their free speech. It doesn't make the speech PC, but it is covered speech.

No you should not have the right to fly the confederate flag in America. Flying the confederate flag is a sign of treason and anyone who does should be considered a traitor in my view. The south left the Union of the Untied States of America, tried to create their own country,elected their own president, created a terriost illegal army with its own rank and officers headed by the biggest traitor Gen. Lee.,took up arms and engaged U.S. troops the Union or North ( the real U.S.) with hostile action and ultimately led to war, and after the war a southern assian took the life of our great president Lincoln.

Don't take kindness for weakness the North took a very postive attitude towards the south after the civil war. The North wanted to move the U.S. forward after the war so we didn't seek any revenge. The North could of executed all officers of the Southern Confederate Army, and maybe all enlisted men as well, we could of burned down and destroyed the inferastructure off all southern states, and seek any type of revenge the North wanted to however after a war this would not be smart to do so, we tired so hard to make peace with the south. Still now the southerns want to insult the Northerns by flying their Confederate Flag. Like their proud they tried to divide the country. The North won the Civil War and America is the way you know it because of the North.


No I am not black, but one of the biggest mistakes the North made was letting the south keep their flag. I feel the same way about the Nazi Flag, we fought the Germans in World War 2 and that flag is also a sign of treason anyone flying the Nazi Flag should be brought up on charges of treason. No country would allow a flag of another country they went to war with fly within their borders and the U.S. should not either. We went to war with the south and germans so the Nazi flag and conferderate flag should not be allowed within the U.S. border. I love the fact that we have freedom of speech and I am all for it, however their is a limit to this when you offend another person or group. I bet the southerns that decided to start the confederacy that lead to so many good men loosing their lives loved their freedom of speech to. You should not have the right or to hang or fly a flag of a nation or confederacy that the U.S. fought a direct or indirect war with and this law needs to be revised as many laws do sometimes. Thats why in America we have the right to revise and change our laws that govern the land. Displaying the confederate flag or nazi flag that group or person is engaging in a act of treason and can be called a traitor and should be brought up on similar charges and have criminal action taken agianst them in a court of law, and the proper punishment should be applied ( thrown in prison ). In the North in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia all over you can see the good old American Flag flying or hanging all over on buildings, businesses, and homes the good old stars and stripes. THE ONLY FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!

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Old 09-05-2009, 06:11 PM
 
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Default Northern Culture Different Than the South

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Today's observation:

Southerners have neighbors; northerners have other people who live close to them. I walk almost every morning and find it's easy to separate the two by which ones wave back and which ones suddenly find something intensively interesting to study in the trees. It's not that they're rude, they just seem to be much less willing to engage.
So, so TRUE!
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Old 09-05-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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Lugger, loves freedom of speech as long as the person speaking agrees with him....

Anyone else should be thrown in prison, I think that is what the Nazi's believed too....
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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No you should not have the right to fly the confederate flag in America. Flying the confederate flag is a sign of treason and anyone who does should be considered a traitor in my view. The south left the Union of the Untied States of America, tried to create their own country,elected their own president, created a terriost illegal army with its own rank and officers headed by the biggest traitor Gen. Lee.,took up arms and engaged U.S. troops the Union or North ( the real U.S.) with hostile action and ultimately led to war, and after the war a southern assian took the life of our great president Lincoln.

Don't take kindness for weakness the North took a very postive attitude towards the south after the civil war. The North wanted to move the U.S. forward after the war so we didn't seek any revenge. The North could of executed all officers of the Southern Confederate Army, and maybe all enlisted men as well, we could of burned down and destroyed the inferastructure off all southern states, and seek any type of revenge the North wanted to however after a war this would not be smart to do so, we tired so hard to make peace with the south. Still now the southerns want to insult the Northerns by flying their Confederate Flag. Like their proud they tried to divide the country. The North won the Civil War and America is the way you know it because of the North.


No I am not black, but one of the biggest mistakes the North made was letting the south keep their flag. I feel the same way about the Nazi Flag, we fought the Germans in World War 2 and that flag is also a sign of treason anyone flying the Nazi Flag should be brought up on charges of treason. No country would allow a flag of another country they went to war with fly within their borders and the U.S. should not either. We went to war with the south and germans so the Nazi flag and conferderate flag should not be allowed within the U.S. border. I love the fact that we have freedom of speech and I am all for it, however their is a limit to this when you offend another person or group. I bet the southerns that decided to start the confederacy that lead to so many good men loosing their lives loved their freedom of speech to. You should not have the right or to hang or fly a flag of a nation or confederacy that the U.S. fought a direct or indirect war with and this law needs to be revised as many laws do sometimes. Thats why in America we have the right to revise and change our laws that govern the land. Displaying the confederate flag or nazi flag that group or person is engaging in a act of treason and can be called a traitor and should be brought up on similar charges and have criminal action taken agianst them in a court of law, and the proper punishment should be applied ( thrown in prison ). In the North in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia all over you can see the good old American Flag flying or hanging all over on buildings, businesses, and homes the good old stars and stripes. THE ONLY FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!
First off, WHO IN THE BLUE HELL do you think you are to tell someone what they can and cannot do? Second, what makes you think anyone would give a tinker's damn if you view them as a "traitor" or not?
Read the Constitution and the Articles of Confederation. You'll see that each state has/had the right to withdraw if they so wished. There was NOTHING illegal about it at the time. The War might not have happened if Lincoln hadnt tried to re-supply Fort Sumter, which at the time belonged to another country.
"Letting" us keep our flag? HA! It would and will fly anyway. The people of this country have this irritating habit of doing whatever it is they wish, legal or not.

So what is that limit when something offends? Hmm? I dont like your face. It offends me and a large group of small children.. Should we make that illegal because its offensive?
And the North DID burn our inferastructure, and left its population (women, children, the elderly) starving. Ever hear of Sherman's March to the sea? Pick up a history book before you start spewing idiocy.
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