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wildwoodflower · 08-13-2009, 08:28 AM

we didn't see the car try to hit the cop...but when we got there, maybe 30 seconds before the cop was shooting, the car was pulled out of the line of traffic, beginning to go up on the divider toward the cop car. i don't know where she thought she was going to get too... i mean she was boxed in by traffic on all four sides just about. if you know the intersection...it is a very busy one!

wildwoodflower · 08-13-2009, 08:40 AM

Charleston Police: Woman shot by police ignored commands | WCBD

more info this morning.... something is really not lining up wit this story. when the cop began shooting, the vehicle was already stoppe don the divider and looke dto be struck before any shots were actually fired. sure it seems she did turn out of the line of traffic in an effort to get away, toward the cop, obviously panicing. but what isn't making sense is the AMOUNT of times the co pshot into the car which was in fact stopped at the time, for at least 30 seconds before he opened fired. really strange.... and really bothersome. cop is on leave with pay. poor guy to be in the middle of this, just trying to do his job. but why dd he shoot so many times, why is the timeline in which the cops are saying it happened missing so much info? ( and there were no major accidents near by the car. maybe only smaller fender benders by her trying to get away) can't wait to her more info on this woman and what she was indeed wanted for. i hope it is not somehting petty, but serious to warrant such a turn of events. i can say my children who witnessesd the incident are quite bothered by the idea of seeing a cop fire into a stopped car! really scary!

OleTomCat · 08-13-2009, 08:55 AM

They are still saying that she was trying to run him down......

Wild are you sure that she was stopped when he started shooting?

Chromekitty · 08-13-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wildwoodflower

Charleston Police: Woman shot by police ignored commands | WCBD

more info this morning.... something is really not lining up wit this story. when the cop began shooting, the vehicle was already stoppe don the divider and looke dto be struck before any shots were actually fired. sure it seems she did turn out of the line of traffic in an effort to get away, toward the cop, obviously panicing. but what isn't making sense is the AMOUNT of times the co pshot into the car which was in fact stopped at the time, for at least 30 seconds before he opened fired. really strange.... and really bothersome. cop is on leave with pay. poor guy to be in the middle of this, just trying to do his job. but why dd he shoot so many times, why is the timeline in which the cops are saying it happened missing so much info? ( and there were no major accidents near by the car. maybe only smaller fender benders by her trying to get away) can't wait to her more info on this woman and what she was indeed wanted for. i hope it is not somehting petty, but serious to warrant such a turn of events. i can say my children who witnessesd the incident are quite bothered by the idea of seeing a cop fire into a stopped car! really scary!

Being placed on leave with pay is what always happens when shots are fired by an Officer.

There are MANY factors that come into play when an Officer fires his weapon. The one that most commonly not thought of is adrenaline. Along with that the *not knowing* what is in that car. She was verbally warned to STOP whatever it was she was doing. She refused to do so, and she paid the consequences.

It doesn't matter what the warrant was for. She was stopped, when you are stopped by a LEO you are instructed what to do. You do it or you pay the consequences. She by no means is innocent. What is being failed to be mentioned is the danger that SHE placed everyone in the area in. She could have killed many people with her disregard.

The Police are not disclosing all information. They can't when it is an IA issue. But, if I were a betting person, I would bet that this Officer was fully justified in doing what he did.

I don't know if it is offered down there or not but if you have a clear background, I would suggest asking to go on a ride-along with an Officer. You will then see and gain a WHOLE new appreciation for what they do and why they do it.

Chromekitty · 08-13-2009, 09:04 AM

Another good option is if a "Citizen's Academy" if offered there. You will good a good idea of how things REALLY work and not what CSI and the media portrays.

OleTomCat · 08-13-2009, 09:06 AM

Ride alongs are allowed, I have done this several times with Charleston County Sheriff Dept.

South Carolina is also a Shall Issue state, meaning that you can get a concealed carry permit as long as you complete the classes and pass the background check

Chromekitty · 08-13-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OleTomCat

Ride alongs are allowed, I have done this several times with Charleston County Sheriff Dept.

South Carolina is also a Shall Issue state, meaning that you can get a concealed carry permit as long as you complete the classes and pass the background check

Do you know if NC/SC have a reciprocal agreement?

wildwoodflower · 08-13-2009, 09:14 AM

we arrived at the intersection, first car at the red light to the right of the incident, heading north. so we could not see into the ladies car, only her window and the officers...she was maybe 3 cars back near the divider, blocked in by traffic. police had already blocked the lane she was in with an unmarked cop car with blue lights flashing, and blocked traffic coming from the other direction so the side of the road over the divider had very few cars. when we arrived, the first cop was there. he had a uniform on and gun drawn toward the window. her car was indeed stopped, we suspected he shot out her tires, but pulled out of the line but only a few feet toward the divider, on it maybe a foot, appearing stuck and now blocked by the cops marked car. there was no way for her to get out or drive more then a few feet forward, blocked in by other peoples cars on all other sides. she was stopped there as the cop fired a few shots into her car, i think about 4 times. now a second unmarked car with lights flashing, plan clothes officer jumping from it near the first car, kicking at her car, i think to break some of the window. the first cop then continues to fire into the car at least 4 times, probably more like 6 times. a total of about 10 shots have now been fired at this woman.

we couldn't understand why he shot so many shots at such a close range. especially if she had no gun and her car was blocked and stopped. i mean the cop was maybe only a foot away from the lady at her window. why did he shoot so many times?

wildwoodflower · 08-13-2009, 09:18 AM

we are aware of how things work with the police department, as we have two family members who are officers up north.

and i am not doubting if the cop felt threatened or thought shooting was the best option to ensure the safety of those around him. no judgements form me as i am sure it was a scary, nervewrecking situation for the officer. but i am just wondering why he began firing a second time after the second unmarked cop approached after already firing like 4 shots at her. i mean before the second round of shot passed several second. did she have a weapon she then pulled on him? was 4 shots not enough to stop her from advancing on him? something just doesn't make sense.

scary situation, i feel badly for the cop, for the woman, for the witnesses who had to see such a thing in broad daylight at a busy intersection...and especially the children in the cars near bye who watched a police officer fire a weapon into someone's car.

DJShymansky · 08-13-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Geechie North

By the way:

In the dark ages (70's) the City PD did not have a uniform policy on when to use deadly force. Does anyone know if that has changed (I would hope)?

The City of Charleston Police Department is a -fully- accredited department. Accreditation didn't exist in the 70's. They absolutely have policies in place for use of force (all manners of the force spectrum) now, and extensive review policies/procedures regarding those uses of force after the fact.