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Old 06-22-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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This article is fearmongering, plain and simple.


Susan, you mention batteries as storage. Are you aware of the inefficiencies in battery power? Are you aware that your conventional water heater uses power that is generated by coal and/or nuclear?

Are you aware of the chemicals used in batteries? Lead, lithium, nickel, and cadmium all have a variety of health and safety issues. So the question becomes how do you store these batteries? How do you dispose of them?


The point I'm trying to drive at here is that there is no free ride. Does Duke dump amounts of arsenic in Mtn Island Lake? Yes. Should they dump less? Hard to say based on the data. But to throw out an unproven, "feel-good" technology as the solution shows a lack of understanding of the issues we face. There is no "magic bullet."
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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This article is fearmongering, plain and simple.


Susan, you mention batteries as storage. Are you aware of the inefficiencies in battery power? Are you aware that your conventional water heater uses power that is generated by coal and/or nuclear?

Are you aware of the chemicals used in batteries? Lead, lithium, nickel, and cadmium all have a variety of health and safety issues. So the question becomes how do you store these batteries? How do you dispose of them?


The point I'm trying to drive at here is that there is no free ride. Does Duke dump amounts of arsenic in Mtn Island Lake? Yes. Should they dump less? Hard to say based on the data. But to throw out an unproven, "feel-good" technology as the solution shows a lack of understanding of the issues we face. There is no "magic bullet."
Why can't they dispose of the toxin's properly?
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:01 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Why can't they dispose of the toxin's properly?
Good question. I guess that depends on what the definition of "properly" is, i.e., in accordance with EPA rules (flimsy though they may be).
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by DBGNCSU05 View Post
This article is fearmongering, plain and simple.


Susan, you mention batteries as storage. Are you aware of the inefficiencies in battery power? Are you aware that your conventional water heater uses power that is generated by coal and/or nuclear?

Are you aware of the chemicals used in batteries? Lead, lithium, nickel, and cadmium all have a variety of health and safety issues. So the question becomes how do you store these batteries? How do you dispose of them?


The point I'm trying to drive at here is that there is no free ride. Does Duke dump amounts of arsenic in Mtn Island Lake? Yes. Should they dump less? Hard to say based on the data. But to throw out an unproven, "feel-good" technology as the solution shows a lack of understanding of the issues we face. There is no "magic bullet."
No, there is no free ride,and I(like you) am no expert. There are possibilities that could be improved IFmoney was invested in research. Problem is it's just to easy at the moment to keep on doing the same old thing and not give a damn about the environment.

Are you aware that your conventional water heater uses power that is generated by coal and/or nuclear?
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Now someone would have to be either a troll or very dense to ask that.

Although I suppose there are millions of people who never even think about where their power comes from, or what the consequences on the environment and where the waste is stored from both coal powered and nuclear powered plants that belong to Duke.


Are you aware of the chemicals used in batteries? Lead, lithium, nickel, and cadmium all have a variety of health and safety issues. So the question becomes how do you store these batteries? How do you dispose of them?

Same way as nuclear waste is diposed of?

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Old 06-24-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Good question. I guess that depends on what the definition of "properly" is, i.e., in accordance with EPA rules (flimsy though they may be).
Maybe the standards should be tougher. The PCB's they dump into the lake are in the fish.

They know they are polluting the lake/water system, but they are doing everything they can do within the law.
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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NPDES permits are set up to *limit* pollution, not eliminate pollution. The bottom line is that the EPA allows pollutants to be discharged at a concentration that can (supposedly) be assimilated by the receiving ecosystem (whether air, land or water).

Of course many contend that those allowable levels are too high... and big industry will always say they are too stringent (removal and disposal of pollutants is pricey!).

I don't know what Duke's NPDES permit allows them to discharge... but it is public information. Perhaps a more in-depth article or write up would show what Duke's allowable pollutant loading rates are (as defined in their current permit) and compare that to the effluent samples taken by the Riverkeepers.
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