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Old 12-07-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Matthews, NC
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Even if it means you may not know where your next meal will come from? Even if it means it's no longer safe to go outside because of looters and rioters trying to find just means to survive (that's saying you are lucky enough to have stored enough food to survive). Even if it means the end of the United States? Even if it means mass death in the streets as our society turns into survival of the fittest? Is this really what you want?
Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:45 PM
 
Location: CLT native
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Even if it means you may not know where your next meal will come from? Even if it means it's no longer safe to go outside because of looters and rioters trying to find just means to survive (that's saying you are lucky enough to have stored enough food to survive). Even if it means the end of the United States? Even if it means mass death in the streets as our society turns into survival of the fittest? Is this really what you want?
Sounds a little drastic, but sure, if it comes to that.
But do you honestly think a few documents make any difference to the masses who entertain themselves with reality TV?


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Old 12-08-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Greer
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Even if it means you may not know where your next meal will come from? Even if it means it's no longer safe to go outside because of looters and rioters trying to find just means to survive (that's saying you are lucky enough to have stored enough food to survive). Even if it means the end of the United States? Even if it means mass death in the streets as our society turns into survival of the fittest? Is this really what you want?
If, as you propose, our entire national security and economic standing is based on lies and lawbreaking, this will be exposed sooner or later. Sweeping it under the rug will only cause it to stink more when it does get uncovered. It cannot remain a secret forever.


People who break the law and lie are the ones responsible for the consequences of their actions. It is not the responsibility of the person who uncovers their lies and criminal behavior.

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Old 12-08-2010, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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I agree. If the bank were to fail, the millionaires who are the criminals would be just fine. The little guys would be the ones who would suffer. If there is incriminating data, it would be best to deal with it carefully and NOT release it to the public. It could be released to authorities and they could prosecute the guilty parties without causing a panic which would not only cause the bank to fail but also economic armageddon. Some things are secret for a reason and should remain that way.

The people wishing for BofA's demise are the same people who are always presenting doomsday scenarios about our economic future. Its like they want to see our society turn into something from a mad max movie.

When it is the public's money and trust that is making this bank tick
then under no circumstance should it be kept quiet. Any under-handed dealings that are revealed on any bank at this point is NOT what would cause "economic armageddon".

You can look at the video with the black friday shoppers and see that we are already turning into a society that is out of touch and in another world.
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:54 PM
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Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.
If that Arnageddon is watching your child become homeless, go hungry, and suffer, you may feel differently.

If Bank of America has done wrong, then they should be held accountable, but does accountability have to equal hoping the bank crashes? I am in no way suggesting BofA should be given a free pass, but hoping the bank shuts its doors is not someting I would ever wish, on any company that employs that many people.

So if BofA crashes, thousands of the people end up on unemployment for however long, so the rest of you who still have jobs are paying for them, then when there unemployment runs out they lose there homes, there kids suffer, they go on welfare, again, all of you who are still working pay the bill. Boy you really taught those millionare big wigs at BofA a lesson didn't ya. So if BofA employs 200,000, probably 1 % of those are in charge to the point where they had anything to do with what you all want them to fail for. So what about the other 99%?

Someone said....." just because they provide a few jobs" I'd say its more than just a few.

Don't know if anyone will be truthful, but if you, a spouse, a son, a daughter, a son or daughter with there own kids, worked for BofA , would you feel the same way? Would you be as nonchalant about watching there jobs go away?
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:56 PM
 
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Yes!...sometimes doing the right thing hurts...too bad...this has to be turned around, you can't have a society built on this kind of a foundation....
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:29 PM
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Yes!...sometimes doing the right thing hurts...too bad...this has to be turned around, you can't have a society built on this kind of a foundation....
Well, I cannot dispute you, but I truly find it hard to believe if you or anyone else were put in the position and not just talking about it, you would say the same thing as they foreclosed on your home, if you had kids and you wondered where there next meal is coming from. Easy to be Dudley Do Right when you are just talking it, and not having to walk it.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:38 PM
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As you may have figured out, I might just work for a big company like this locally. I don't agree with everything they do. I have been laid off, placed in a new dpt and took a 10k a year cut in pay. My spouse has health problems and cannot work ft. I have a young daughter. I have since taken on a pt night job so manmy days I woked 9-6 and then 7-11pm. So a 9am-11pm shift. I lay awake at night wondering how the next bill is getting paid. But I have health insurance that paid my spouses surgery, for my daughters glasses and stuff, I have not lost my home yet and we still have a roof. So seeing to it that CEOS and such are taught a lesson is the least of my worries. If they hurt peopel , I hope justice is done. I only hope that doesn't mean I am without a job totally. There are thousands like me or worse. If I dislike a company for something they did, I switch to another company, but I will never hope they collapse.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:56 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Bad acts perpetrated by Mafia kingpins usually get prosecuted under RICO . . . I suppose some folks would be gnashing their teeth and upholding their local Mafia Boss if a family member were employed at a casino or warehouse or sanitation service (for ex) run by a Mafia flunky.

Bad business is just that - bad business. Pimps see to it that prostitutes are able to put food on the table (sidebar: is crack cocaine in one of the major food groups?) but that doesn't mean the pimps and hookers are gonna get a pass just cause they were trying to make a living.

And anyway . . . The gubment will take care of us. Once there are no jobs . . . the government will be sending checks to everyone, and we will all be working for the same wages, living in gubment housing, eating gubment bread, all employed by the gubment cause they will own the banks, the factories, the hospitals, the auto manufacturers . . . just like USSR, circa 1960. And our Russian comrades survived.

Don't believe those apocryphal stories about Russian citizens boiling shoe leather to make soup.

One out of five (20%) of the population is out of work here in the good ole US of A. Yep. That includes all those folks who are no longer signing up for benefits. It isn't getting better any time soon cause we are no longer a manufacturing society (send your letters of dismay to Congress for imposing high corporate taxes and to the various unions for running wages and benefits up so high that companies have resorted to off-shoring whole companies/jobs. Not that I approve of off-shoring, lol, but that is–in part–why it happened.

It is no use to start wringing hands and invoking a visage of Armageddon, for heaven's sake. Our Prez will see to it that we all have a place to live. Even our Mayor right here in Charlotte is trying to fix it where folks on gubment vouchers get to live in the "swanky" parts of town. Trust me, Uncle Sam will see to it you have a place to live and healthcare, for that matter, as long as you don't have anything and aren't working (well, it appears you can have an Escalade, but I digress)

The problem right now is . . . if you have actually been working and been a responsible member of society, the druggies and mommas w/ illegitimate kids got to Social Services Dept. b/f the rest of us did (we were out working, lol) so budgets are stretched. The average family whose breadwinner is out of work (nationwide) is lucky to get $120 a month in food stamps these days. Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard done been raided by those who have been sucking off the gubment teat for decades. We won't talk about the fraud that is rife in these programs, but multiply this many times across the country and you can imagine how much $$$ is syphoned off thru/ fraudulent claims as well as workers with no moral compass.

Story here: Former DSS Employee Accused Of $25K In Food Stamp Fraud - News Story - WSOC Charlotte

If folks are really concerned, do what starving people do in North Korea - and join the Armed Forces, where food, of some description, is guaranteed (and lots of indoctrination about the Dear Leader, too, lol).

Quit worrying and start reading Lenin and Marx. And take Mandarin Chinese lessons.

And stop upholding wrong-doers. No one's family has EVER been immune from corporate shut-downs due to fraud. I showed up to my upper income job years back to find the doors padlocked, under order of the IRS. Hundreds of us in several states lost our jobs without warning. I don't recall anyone shedding tears over my job loss. The feds were quite proud of themselves, actually, for catching up w/ a corporate tax-evader.

Life goes on.

I guess the wise thing to do is buy some mittens and warm coats so we will all be comfy standing in the bread lines.
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