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Old 12-12-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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Birds of a feather flock together...........
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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Well it could be that the parishioners were so desperate to believe that if they believe, if they have the faith to let the word of God flow through them in the way that the Jinwrights did, that just maybe they'd be able to get a taste of the bounty that the Jinwrights were allowed to taste. Is that faith? It could be. It depends what they were taught about God & how God expected them to act & witness.

The Jinwrights knew that people wanted to believe, that they wanted to believe that God is benevolent that he is a father figure looking out for them. It may be that by contributing to the Jinwrights' lifestyle that they were awarded with praise & possibly with love. Those are powerful motivators. To feel like you are a valued member of a community & to know that you have worth, to know that you can contribute & help others through faith & fellowship really do make a difference in peoples' lives.

On the other hand you could also say that they were ignorant & easily duped. But none of us know any of the people involved. I'd be willing to bet that if you came across one of their parishioners & didn't know them to be such, that them wishing you a Merry Christmas or helping you with a bag of groceries or helping to tie the tree to the roof of your SUV that you would think less of them?

There are many different paths to God. Is the power of prayer different in its intensity or in its content because of the way that the minister conducts his services? People are always free to move to a different church or to experience a different sect or even to see how a different faith celebrates God.

For all their faults & their weakness to temptation the Jinwrights did provide a necessary service to their flock. I wonder how they will do with their leader under lock & key...
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Old 12-12-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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Well it could be that the parishioners were so desperate to believe that if they believe, if they have the faith to let the word of God flow through them in the way that the Jinwrights did, that just maybe they'd be able to get a taste of the bounty that the Jinwrights were allowed to taste. Is that faith? It could be. It depends what they were taught about God & how God expected them to act & witness.

The Jinwrights knew that people wanted to believe, that they wanted to believe that God is benevolent that he is a father figure looking out for them. It may be that by contributing to the Jinwrights' lifestyle that they were awarded with praise & possibly with love. Those are powerful motivators. To feel like you are a valued member of a community & to know that you have worth, to know that you can contribute & help others through faith & fellowship really do make a difference in peoples' lives.

On the other hand you could also say that they were ignorant & easily duped. But none of us know any of the people involved. I'd be willing to bet that if you came across one of their parishioners & didn't know them to be such, that them wishing you a Merry Christmas or helping you with a bag of groceries or helping to tie the tree to the roof of your SUV that you would think less of them?

There are many different paths to God. Is the power of prayer different in its intensity or in its content because of the way that the minister conducts his services? People are always free to move to a different church or to experience a different sect or even to see how a different faith celebrates God.

For all their faults & their weakness to temptation the Jinwrights did provide a necessary service to their flock. I wonder how they will do with their leader under lock & key...

Very much like Hitler misleading and bringing his flock to destruction. They certainly believed in him and stood by his side until his demise. Lets face it, there was no good side in either case.
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Old 12-12-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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For the life of me I just cannot understand the flawed logic of the congregants standing behind these criminal pastors. Even if they hadn't evaded paying taxes, WHY would a church support pastors in the lavish lifestyle they did when the church itself was bouncing checks???

"...the Jinwrights used church credit cards on two trips to Las Vegas, running up thousands of dollars in charges while staying at the Bellagio and Casino and at the Venetian. The church, meanwhile, was routinely bouncing checks.

Greater Salem had a special bank account used to buy luxury items for the Jinwrights, including Louis Vuitton bags, l uggage, clothing and a $1,500-a-month lease payment on a Mercedes-Benz."

Read more: Judge: Jinwrights culpable for $1 million-plus - CharlotteObserver.com (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/09/1897511/jinwright-backers-pack-courtrooms.html#ixzz17eXyFNq8 - broken link)
I already posted why I think that the congregation has stayed with these two crooks, but between this thread & the Jim & Tammy Faye thread, I was reminded of a very controversial & well-known fundamentalist preacher from South Jersey. His congregation stuck with him like flies stick to you-know-what, no matter what he did or said.

Here's wiki's take on him. Carl McIntire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an article on the 1st half of his career. It's lengthy, but gets into the history of the intertwining of fundamentalist preachers, politics, & the media. The Rev McIntire had a very large amount of real estate holdings, but the article doesn't get into that. It sort of ties in here, & I thought that you wouldn't mind. In a way, it provides some answers to this situation. http://www.ouruf.org/d/grad/Xian%20O...an%20Right.pdf
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Old 12-12-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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I am not a religious person, but I have always had the utmost respect for Billy Graham. He has always been on a salary (it used to be around $85K). That way there would never be any questions about his honesty.
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