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Old 02-18-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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and not think much of it. Now I am frightened by the number of people moving here with no job, no NOTHING other than to get away (run away) from where they are. This area will be as bad as the northeast in 15 years at this rate. Too many people moving in, not enough jobs to sustain. A frightening prospect.

---Its far fetched argument - we are assuming zero growth and 100% failure over 15 years. I see where you are going with this and agree that yes a city will lose its properous charm if demand exceeds supply. But people are not to be blamed for that. Even if we assume a vast majority of those moving in are failures in their resident state, the fact they are moving gives credence to the doubt that they want to succeed. If one can draw welfare in their own states then they are certainly not squatting in Charlotte for welfare alone!!!

No its not. People are only concerned the infrastructure here cannot take the influx of people. If unemployment was low and the economy good (i.e. mid 2000's) different story. Again...come here..enjoy whats good, its your right...but understand that without a job, you are just putting more strain on an already busting infrastructure.

---Where is the logic in the above statement!!! How can infrastructure remain unaffected in good times and destroyed in a bad economy. Even if the economy improves and it turns into opportunities galore people will still find the trend of migrants a worrying aspect. Its one's fear of losing the local culture. And I agree that it is a loss for long time residents to see their city change (I love the southerners, their manners and their values). But thats life, no one can stop it. People will continue to move for the better. Whether we like it or not.

The real issue is the lack of opportunities in their resident state thats compelling people to move. And who is responsible for such lack of opportunities!!!!! Certainly not the people. The counry needs jobs and we all know that. Create Jobs, bring down the income/expense (read taxes) disparity. Till such time kick out the NIMBY mentality
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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It's probably not going to change much until there are more widespread revolts and riots such as what is taking place in Wisconsin right now.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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It's probably not going to change much until there are more widespread revolts and riots such as what is taking place in Wisconsin right now.
That is a different issue altogether....

Public/Union workers are protesting out there because they'd be forced to make co-payments for their health insurance...

How cruel.....
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Public/Union workers are protesting out there because they'd be forced to make co-payments for their health insurance... How cruel.....
Wall Street is collecting 15% of their pension fund to manage it. This deal was setup due to a cozy relationship between the politicians and the bankers. The protests are about fairness in that it's not right to take away people's earned benefits while the upper 1% continues to carve off a huge piece of the pie. I am not a big fan for the overpaid government worker, but that doesn't seem to describe the people in this particular situation.

I predict this won't be the last of these kinds of things we see, and i predict it won't be limited to just government workers.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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W The protests are about fairness in that it's not right to take away people's earned benefits while the upper 1% continues to carve off a huge piece of the pie.
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Do you actually know the particulars of the bill in question, or is this just a tired rant against the wealthy?

Let me ask you for example, what is wrong w/the public sector union employees start paying into their own pension and insurance funds, like the rest of us do?
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:59 PM
 
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Let me ask you for example, what is wrong w/the public sector union employees start paying into their own pension and insurance funds, like the rest of us do?
I've got absolutely no problem with that. They should have to pay their share. However if someone works for 30 years in a job, and as part of that they earn retirement benefits including health care, it's not right to take it away after they have retired.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:02 PM
 
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I don't get it..what is wrong with what he said?

Maybe he/she does not accept other peoples opinions. How will I sleep tonight?
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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I've got absolutely no problem with that. They should have to pay their share. However if someone works for 30 years in a job, and as part of that they earn retirement benefits including health care, it's not right to take it away after they have retired.
Where does it say in the bill they are going to take away this coverage?

This bill specifically wants public employees to come to the real world and pay a percentage of their health and retirement benefits.

You want them to pay their "share", but just a microscopic one like the rest of the people on your side....
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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..This bill specifically wants public employees to come to the real world and pay a percentage of their health and retirement benefits.

You want them to pay their "share", but just a microscopic one like the rest of the people on your side....
I am not sure what you mean "your side". I am not a government worker, I pay a substantial amount each month for my healthcare, and I resent the taxes that I pay that goes towards government waste. However, I don't think that going after the lowest paid people at the government is fair or equitable given the corporate welfare that is tossed out by these governments. This is my beef about the situation there and why I understand the protests.

In addition, the governor exempted the police, firefighter, and highway patrol unions from any change introduce by this bill. It should be noted these 3 unions supported the governor for re-election while the others didn't. The fact that some have to pay and some don't, casts doubt on the credibility of the stated reasons . If they are going to do this, then it ought to be across the board and applied to all workers. It should also include non-union employees in management, administration, and appointed roles.

On the question you asked, the bill contains this item.
Modifications to Wisconsin Retirement System and state health insurance plans: The bill directs the Department of Administration, Office of State Employment Relations and Department of Employee Trust Funds to study and report on possible changes to the Wisconsin Retirement System
Retirees believe this means their earned benefits are going to be reduced.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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However, I don't think that going after the lowest paid people at the government is fair or equitable given the corporate welfare that is tossed out by these governments. This is my beef about the situation there and why I understand the protests.
Its not just about pay. They have much much better benefits than your average private worker. Nothing wrong w/aligning their benefits w/how it is in the real world.



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On the question you asked, the bill contains this item.
Modifications to Wisconsin Retirement System and state health insurance plans: The bill directs the Department of Administration, Office of State Employment Relations and Department of Employee Trust Funds to study and report on possible changes to the Wisconsin Retirement System
Retirees believe this means their earned benefits are going to be reduced.
I don't believe you should cut retirees benefits 100% or even anything close to that. (However, if there are cuts, those retirees should've invested or saved the difference of the extra benefits they were getting but that's a whole different story.)

For the most part, those people should be "grandfathered" in....however, for all new workers, your days of getting champagne benefits should be over.....
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