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I wouldn't say Gorman's salary is "Outrageous." Do you know what he deals with on a DAILY basis? You may not like him and that's fine. For what all he has to deal with and his qualifications. He isn't overpaid.
I don't care what he gets paid, he deserves more after having NAACP picket HIS HOUSE.
I have less problem with Gorman's salary and the salary of the principals as I do the sheer number of administrators. I think 100K is a reasonable salary for someone in charge of managing as large an organization as a school. But I think there is a lot of fat at the central office that could be cut.
NC is not known for overpaying their educators so this post piqued my interest. This post is puzzling. It appears many of you think these salaries are high?!? As a fomer educator and administrator I am going to offer my two cents...
A couple posts referred to "the fat" at central office and elementary principals making 100+ a year.... Let's put this in perspective..... The majority of anyone in a higher level education position started as a teacher making 20- 30K a year.. Positions in central office as a director, principal, assistant principal require teaching experience and advanced degrees. So now, we are talking of people who have spent years in the classroom, have a masters or PhD and have volunteered countless hours as coaches, lead teachers, program coordinators, etc....
Yet, Charlotte being the newest financial hub... we don't second guess salaries of bank executives making upwards of a million dollars a year. One poster brought up the governors salary. Well, yes we are all in agreeance public service and state employees are underpaid... But the governor, has a 4 year stretch and often has businesses or his/her former career going on the side. He/she isn't living off that income alone. With the amount of hours an educator commits to his/her profession, it is unlikely they are able to have another form of income at least providing the majority of their living expenses. In addition to an educators responsibilities there is a portion of their salary that they are paying out of their own pocket to provide materials, and necessities for their students that the state does not provide. No other profession requires this sacrifice. Here is a joke/fact my elementary school teacher friends used to say..... An elementary school teacher is the only profession where his/her lunch break is dependent on the weather. (If it is increment weather and the students can't go outside for recess they stay in the classroom... when does that teacher get to leave for lunch or bathroom... etc...) Something most employees in another field would never consider or be aware of as a problem.... Again another perspective.....
A school administrator does not have the luxuries of a coorporate CEO having multiple departments to take care of budget, HR, legal, marketing, community relations, etc.... they do it on their own with the help of underpaid salary based teachers voluntering as committee heads... Educator salaries are based on years of experience and degrees and credits beyond the Bachelor level. Those salaries posted 100K+ are towards the end of the individual's career not the beginning.
NC is not known for overpaying their educators so this post piqued my interest. This post is puzzling. It appears many of you think these salaries are high?!? As a fomer educator and administrator I am going to offer my two cents...
A couple posts referred to "the fat" at central office and elementary principals making 100+ a year.... Let's put this in perspective..... The majority of anyone in a higher level education position started as a teacher making 20- 30K a year.. Positions in central office as a director, principal, assistant principal require teaching experience and advanced degrees. So now, we are talking of people who have spent years in the classroom, have a masters or PhD and have volunteered countless hours as coaches, lead teachers, program coordinators, etc....
Yet, Charlotte being the newest financial hub... we don't second guess salaries of bank executives making upwards of a million dollars a year. One poster brought up the governors salary. Well, yes we are all in agreeance public service and state employees are underpaid... But the governor, has a 4 year stretch and often has businesses or his/her former career going on the side. He/she isn't living off that income alone. With the amount of hours an educator commits to his/her profession, it is unlikely they are able to have another form of income at least providing the majority of their living expenses. In addition to an educators responsibilities there is a portion of their salary that they are paying out of their own pocket to provide materials, and necessities for their students that the state does not provide. No other profession requires this sacrifice. Here is a joke/fact my elementary school teacher friends used to say..... An elementary school teacher is the only profession where his/her lunch break is dependent on the weather. (If it is increment weather and the students can't go outside for recess they stay in the classroom... when does that teacher get to leave for lunch or bathroom... etc...) Something most employees in another field would never consider or be aware of as a problem.... Again another perspective.....
A school administrator does not have the luxuries of a coorporate CEO having multiple departments to take care of budget, HR, legal, marketing, community relations, etc.... they do it on their own with the help of underpaid salary based teachers voluntering as committee heads... Educator salaries are based on years of experience and degrees and credits beyond the Bachelor level. Those salaries posted 100K+ are towards the end of the individual's career not the beginning.
... we don't second guess salaries of bank executives making upwards of a million dollars a year. .....
Yes we do. Especially when they are running businesses that are soaking the tax payers for a fortune. However that straw man argument is irrelevant to what administrators are getting paid in CMS. Your post sounds as if it is coming from someone in general since it doesn't speak specifically about CMS, but most of what you said does not apply to that school system.
I would normally say mid-40's for a teachers pay is low, but from what I have witnessed this year, it is way too much for my grandchild's teacher at Hawkridge Elementary. She's definitely in it for the money, not because she enjoys her job. I've lived in several states, and have dealt with many teachers, none as incompetent and uncaring as this woman. She may be bitter because she does not make alot of money, but she needs to realize she is setting an example for these children. It is not the child's problem she chose a career that does not pay well.
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I have less problem with Gorman's salary and the salary of the principals as I do the sheer number of administrators. I think 100K is a reasonable salary for someone in charge of managing as large an organization as a school. But I think there is a lot of fat at the central office that could be cut.
This is very true. Too much money is spent on the managers and principals etc. I cant understand that even though the number of school buses has risen only about 30 % in the past 10 years the number of transportation directors and managers has risen about 500%. I wonder what gorman the genius would have to say about that....We will never know because the rule at CMS is to only talk about what they want to talk about.
Carmen11, That is a serious security problem. Tell your story to the school principal, tell it to the school board, and tell it to the police. I would be willing to bet money that they would have YOU arrested for violating procedures by not stopping in at the office and signing in, and removing a child from school without properly signing the child out, not to mention you probably need something in writing, maybe even a letter on file in the office to remove your grandchild.
Lets try not not to derail the thread from the OP
if you have other issues create your own thread.
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