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Old 04-24-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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blah blah blah
The development of 485 may not have been on "condition" or "promise" from the City of Charlotte but it was a goal of 485 to minimize the number of exits created on 485 thus minimizing development on that beltway around the city. If this beltway would have been successful in doing that, this "congestion" spoken of probably wouldn't exist.

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hmmm ... so NO chances of road expansions until next 10 years?. Thats no good!!!. A city should have great infrastructure to compete with other cities... and I think Charlotte has greater potential to attract business if planned properly.
What did you expect? 485 around Pineville has been congested long before the majority of the entire beltway was completed. Wasn't it expanded BEFORE the remaining sections of the beltway was completed?
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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hmmm ... so NO chances of road expansions until next 10 years?. Thats no good!!!. A city should have great infrastructure to compete with other cities... and I think Charlotte has greater potential to attract business if planned properly.
NCDOT has 192 projects listed for Mecklenburg County. NCDOT: Home

When you drive to Lake Lure, enjoy the traffic mess that you'll be sitting in in Shelby. One of the defunded projects was to widen the bypass & another was to build another bypass, since the current one is clogged every day.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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The development of 485 may not have been on "condition" or "promise" from the City of Charlotte but it was a goal of 485 to minimize the number of exits created on 485 thus minimizing development on that beltway around the city. If this beltway would have been successful in doing that, this "congestion" spoken of probably wouldn't exist.
if you don't think limiting development was a "promise from the City" then you agree with me. and all my blah, blah, blah.

I live in an urban neighborhood. My favorite car is a Surly.


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Old 04-25-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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I don't know where some of y'all got the info on the I-485 widening, but construction on the additional lanes is supposed to start next year, and it does not take almost a whole decade to widen 5 miles of I-485 in South Charlotte.

Rucho: Widening of I-485 outerloop is accelerated | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/13/2057420/widening-of-i-485-outerloop-accelerated.html - broken link)
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:45 AM
 
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1. I reread your post. And I still think it's misleading. 2. It seems plausible that the City and or County may have provided some projections about development in the design stages of this project (mid to late 80s) but I work in land development and have never heard of Charlotte putting "promise" limits on development numbers. ....
It's how it is done. The NCDOT expects local municipalities provide planning numbers for traffic designs. The numbers are often challenged especially when federal dollars are involved as they are in the case of I-485, so they have to provide a set of criteria which were used to generate the numbers. Don't do this, and the feds say, no money. period. If you are interested, it's fairly simply to lookup how it works. It's the very reason that no further train lines are being built in Charlotte. Similar process.
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And how would the city limit development?
It's called zoning. That land was zoned for farming. They don't have to change the zoning to allow for residential development. The two families that developed Southpark inherited the land that is now Ballentine, once farmland, and lobbied to get the zoning changed against the land development plans. Happens all the time in this city. Furthermore, after the debacle of that portion of I-485 became apparent, the city has successfully used the zoning tool to keep development away from the remaining sections.
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3. Touche'. and back at ya'.
I recommend you take the advice that I gave the first party. This stuff shouldn't be too difficult to understand. However if you have something, other than personal anecdote that would indicate that something different happened down there, I would be interested in seeing it.
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:57 AM
 
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I don't know where some of y'all got the info on the I-485 widening, but construction on the additional lanes is supposed to start next year, and it does not take almost a whole decade to widen 5 miles of I-485 in South Charlotte. Rucho: Widening of I-485 outerloop is accelerated | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/13/2057420/widening-of-i-485-outerloop-accelerated.html - broken link)
This article does not say construction begins. It says "work" begins. I believe this might just be the feasibility study where they determine how much it will cost.
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Old 04-25-2011, 06:48 AM
 
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However if you have something, other than personal anecdote that would indicate that something different happened down there, I would be interested in seeing it.
I ask the same thing of you... after all, you're the one sending the accusations flying.

But I'll play your game, 'cause I'm certain you cannot. Here are some excerpts from a letter Sue Myrick wrote to the Governor about 485 problems. You can see that she clearly lays the blame for the fiasco where it belongs: IN RALEIGH and with the DOT. You won't find anything about broken promises with the City, no matter how hard you search... 'cause it doesn't exist.



Excerpt from 2007 letter:

Why are we delaying the completion of 1-485 in Charlotte again?

I read in The Charlotte Observer how rising prices of materials are
leading to the delay. Why didn't these same rising costs delay the
loops in Fayetteville and Wilmington?

Why are we building loops in Fayetteville and Wilmington before we
complete the one in Charlotte?

We were working on the one in Charlotte back when I was mayor. That
was 20 years ago!

... Last I looked Charlotte was the largest city in the state. There
seems to be no recognition of that fact in Raleigh. No recognition
that we are at a standstill with traffic. No recognition that we have
a traffic problem.

Nor is there any recognition of the fact that the state DOT utterly
botched up the southern leg of our yet to be completed loop by only
putting in two lanes where there should have been four. So not only is
the loop not complete, what is complete is already backlogged. When we
called on you to fix that, you delayed that, too. It's still not
fixed!


If you want to read the entire letter, you can find it archived here:
Rep. Sue Myrick's letter to Gov. Mike Easley and Sect. Lyndo Tippett on I-485 delays published in the Charlotte Observer
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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We need to figure a way to make the day workers from South Carolina who use the road pay something...They want to use the road but do not want to pay a dime for it. Maybe a toll road would be good. We need them here
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I don't know where some of y'all got the info on the I-485 widening, but construction on the additional lanes is supposed to start next year, and it does not take almost a whole decade to widen 5 miles of I-485 in South Charlotte.

You must be new to North Carolina.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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Local stretch of I-485 gets poor rating | South Charlotte Weekly

read above article.. .. interesting.
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