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Old 04-24-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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I believe Charlotte is definitely suffering from congestion!!. Please do not compare Charlotte’s congestion with NY City or other large metro…


Anybody knows if county/state is planning to expand I-485 from south blvd to matthwes, Johnston road and other local roads? Can local residents pressurize county/state on this issue? What is the way to let Govt know about our problems?.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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It is the NCDOT's responsibility to build highways in NC including I-485. The cities and counties are not allowed to. (this doesn't apply to subdivision streets & certain specific roads in Charlotte) The plan for that section of I-485 is to expand it to 6 lanes AFTER the segment between I-77N to I-85N is built. The state did not have the money to do both at the same time. You can try to pressure the state over this matter but it has already been subject to much deliberation over the last decade. The addition of the additional lane in each direction probably won't be completed until at least the end of the decade and maybe longer given the state's finances.

BTW, the problem with congestion in that area is not the fault of the state. The NCDOT state built that road with the promises from the Charlotte/Mecklenburg government that development would be kept to a minimum. The road was designed as a transit corridor between S. Charlotte and E. Independence Blvd so that thru traffic could bypass having to drive into the city. However not soon after construction started, the city/county broke that promise and let Ballantine be built along with other endless development down there. Now it's impassable at times. Because of this, the state doesn't feel a need to put this at high priority.

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Old 04-24-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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I believe Charlotte is definitely suffering from congestion!!. Please do not compare Charlotte’s congestion with NY City or other large metro…


Anybody knows if county/state is planning to expand I-485 from south blvd to matthwes, Johnston road and other local roads? Can local residents pressurize county/state on this issue? What is the way to let Govt know about our problems?.
NCDOT is in charge of that. The governor had NCDOT defund several projects in Cleveland County to fund finishing 485. So, wait for your turn on the rest.
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Old 04-24-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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BTW, the problem with congestion in that area is not the fault of the state. The NCDOT state built that road with the promises from the Charlotte/Mecklenburg government that development would be kept to a minimum. The road was designed as a transit corridor between S. Charlotte and E. Independence Blvd so that thru traffic could bypass having to drive into the city. However not soon after construction started, the city/county broke that promise and let Ballantine be built along with other endless development down there. Now it's impassable at times. Because of this, the state doesn't feel a need to put this at high priority.
false.

Limiting development was never a condition or a "promise". The notion of such is absurd.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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false.

Limiting development was never a condition or a "promise". The notion of such is absurd.
Son I recommend you re-read what I posted as you seem to not to have comprehended it at all. There is nothing in my post that said it was a "condition". As for "promise" the NCDOT has to design to a set of expectations on what the traffic was going to do there over the next several decades, and those specs were provided by the City and County whose numbers were based on the promise that development would not be allowed around that road. They broke that promise and the road was soon overwhelmed.

Try thinking about these things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Charlotte is the poster child for poor urban planning...
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:37 PM
 
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1. Son I recommend you re-read what I posted as you seem to not to have comprehended it at all.

2. As for "promise" the NCDOT has to design to a set of expectations on what the traffic was going to do there over the next several decades, and those specs were provided by the City and County whose numbers were based on the promise that development would not be allowed around that road. They broke that promise and the road was soon overwhelmed.

3. Try thinking about these things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
1. I reread your post. And I still think it's misleading.

2. It seems plausible that the City and or County may have provided some projections about development in the design stages of this project (mid to late 80s) but I work in land development and have never heard of Charlotte putting "promise" limits on development numbers. Cities aren't run with promises. And no one would have expected the growth that this region experienced in the late 90s and early 2000s. Trying to pin this somehow on a local authority is disingenuous at best.

And how would the city limit development? Put restrictions on the use of private property? Development is NOT "done" by the city. It's financed, planned and constructed by private companies and individuals. A municipality simply has the ability to set rules (zoning, standards, etc), and if a developer can meet the rules they can build.

3. Touche'. and back at ya'.

The bottom line is simple. If you don't like the traffic, then move. Or wait. Makes no difference to me either way. But don't blame anyone other than yourself for moving somewhere where traffic makes you miserable.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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hmmm ... so NO chances of road expansions until next 10 years?. Thats no good!!!. A city should have great infrastructure to compete with other cities... and I think Charlotte has greater potential to attract business if planned properly.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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There's just not enough money to expand build those roads as quickly as people are pouring into that area.

It's not like the people who moved down there weren't already aware that 485 was only four-lanes in that area.
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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When the issue the building permits they are supposed to consider the effect on the existing infrastructure and make the builder do improvements if required or just not issue the permit...that didn't happen. Couple that with the complete lack of secondary roads and this stupid vein-artery system and you get the mess we have.
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