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Old 07-03-2011, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Old 07-03-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Anyone that moves here from a large, diversely populated city would understand that HOAs are a good thing to keep communities from going third world in many cases. Those that don't care, don't support HOAs.

hmmmm. Gee, I wonder if Chicago qualifies as a "large, diversely populated city"?? Within the city of Chicago...remember, I am saying...within the city of Chicago, there are NO HOAs. No city person would stand for it!! And, although there are ghettos, just as there are in any major city...the majority of the city is very clean, well kept and it is NOT "third world".

Also, I beg to ask...how many HOAs are in London? (again, I am not talking about the suburbs, talking about the city limits) I daresay that there are none. and, I found the neighbourhoods to be quite nice and tidy, well kept and lovely. No, I don't stay in the touristy neighbourhoods. My most recent stay was in Kennington. Previously, I have stayed in King's Cross, Burnt Oak & Elephant & Castle. Not quite Kensington or Westminister, I can assure you.

And, one more time for those that don't remember; I served on my HOA for a number of years, was President for two. I am a certified property manager, so, I was not unskilled labour. However, a power-hungry fireman who was my VP preferred to listen to others and did some things behind my back that undermined everything that I tried to create. I have never been a fan of HOAs, tried to work with the system to make it better, it did not work and now I am REALLY not a fan of HOAs. End of Story.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:37 AM
 
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Also, I beg to ask...how many HOAs are in London? (again, I am not talking about the suburbs, talking about the city limits) I daresay that there are none.....
Then you would be completely wrong in that aspect, because you can't change anything on a home on London without getting endless approvals from an endless number of authorities that are interested in keeping the look of the neighborhood from changing. HOAs in NC are no where near draconian as owners have direct say in how these rules are implemented.

(and for that matter, in the UK, you may have purchased the right to live in a home, but the structure itself might be owned by someone else and hence you have no rights to change it)

Your analogy and hence logic fails on this one.
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Re: PLanned communities with restricitive convenants aka HOAs in large cities non-suburban:

CC sorry your information is flawed but perhaps it's because it's limited to your circle of friends and associates. I have posted this link below that deals with this very subject and a community that I am intimately familiar with.


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Old 07-04-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Then you would be completely wrong in that aspect, because you can't change anything on a home on London without getting endless approvals from an endless number of authorities that are interested in keeping the look of the neighborhood from changing. HOAs in NC are no where near draconian as owners have direct say in how these rules are implemented.

(and for that matter, in the UK, you may have purchased the right to live in a home, but the structure itself might be owned by someone else and hence you have no rights to change it)

Your analogy and hence logic fails on this one.
You are absolutely right. I have a flat in Hampstead which is a very desired area of London. Althought there are only eight flats in my building, there is an association. Each occupant must comply with the rules of the organization as we share the same parking lot and starcase, etc. We have to all pay for the upkeep of the building (which is 150 years old). It may not be called a HOA, but it operates exactly the same way. When anyone buys a place in London, they are buying a lease that could be up to 99 years or more. If one wants freedom to as one wishes and escape the red tape of the city, one must move out to the country.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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Anyone that moves here from a large, diversely populated city would understand that HOAs are a good thing to keep communities from going third world in many cases. Those that don't care, don't support HOAs.

hmmmm. Gee, I wonder if Chicago qualifies as a "large, diversely populated city"?? Within the city of Chicago...remember, I am saying...within the city of Chicago, there are NO HOAs. No city person would stand for it!! And, although there are ghettos, just as there are in any major city...the majority of the city is very clean, well kept and it is NOT "third world".

Also, I beg to ask...how many HOAs are in London? (again, I am not talking about the suburbs, talking about the city limits) I daresay that there are none. and, I found the neighbourhoods to be quite nice and tidy, well kept and lovely. No, I don't stay in the touristy neighbourhoods. My most recent stay was in Kennington. Previously, I have stayed in King's Cross, Burnt Oak & Elephant & Castle. Not quite Kensington or Westminister, I can assure you.

Doing things behind your back without having without having approval from the committee is a serious infraction. If you let him get by with such an infracton, you weren't doing your job. Besides, until very recently, there was no licensing required for management company employes.


And, one more time for those that don't remember; I served on my HOA for a number of years, was President for two. I am a certified property manager, so, I was not unskilled labour. However, a power-hungry fireman who was my VP preferred to listen to others and did some things behind my back that undermined everything that I tried to create. I have never been a fan of HOAs, tried to work with the system to make it better, it did not work and now I am REALLY not a fan of HOAs. End of Story.
Doing things behind your back without having approval from the majority of the committee is a serious infraction. Allowing this to happen indicates a failure to manage your HOA. A person can only be as "power hungry" as the board allows him to be. Additionally, until very recently, there were no requirements for licenses to be a management company rep.

You stated that there are "NO Homeowners Associations in Chicago."
The Chicago HOA business is alive and well. There are also dozens of condo associations which are basically the same. Some of the city (not suburbs) of Chicago HOAs are as follows:

-Two 22 Main
-Mulford Inc.
-1521 N. 77th LLC
-Gaude Mill
-Arcadia
-University Circle
-Heritage Place
-2526 N. 76th LLC
-Prairie House
-Twenty One Twenty West Grande
-929 N. Damon
-Superiorhomeowner
-Freemont Place
-720 W. Gordon Terrace
-Andersonville South Neighborood Assn
-Fifty thre twelve north

I will stop at this point. My fingers are getting tired. In conclusion, unless you live in the country these days, you will not likely have the freedom to do as you wish with your residence as our grandparents did.
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If one wants freedom to as one wishes and escape the red tape of the city, one must move out to the country.
And that is exactly what happens here, if you want to live in a certain area, you may be frozen out unless you submit to an HOA. that is what is wrong with these corrupt organizations. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to give away their freedoms like that.
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:00 PM
 
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.... I don't understand why anyone would be willing to give away their freedoms like that.
This why they have more flavors than just vanilla ice cream.
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Old 07-04-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Doing things behind your back without having approval from the majority of the committee is a serious infraction. Allowing this to happen indicates a failure to manage your HOA. A person can only be as "power hungry" as the board allows him to be. Additionally, until very recently, there were no requirements for licenses to be a management company rep.

You stated that there are "NO Homeowners Associations in Chicago."
The Chicago HOA business is alive and well. There are also dozens of condo associations which are basically the same. Some of the city (not suburbs) of Chicago HOAs are as follows:

-Two 22 Main
-Mulford Inc.
-1521 N. 77th LLC
-Gaude Mill
-Arcadia
-University Circle
-Heritage Place
-2526 N. 76th LLC
-Prairie House
-Twenty One Twenty West Grande
-929 N. Damon
-Superiorhomeowner
-Freemont Place
-720 W. Gordon Terrace
-Andersonville South Neighborood Assn
-Fifty thre twelve north

I will stop at this point. My fingers are getting tired. In conclusion, unless you live in the country these days, you will not likely have the freedom to do as you wish with your residence as our grandparents did.
You are talking condo associations here. NOT detatched dwellings. NOT HOAs. Completely different animal.

Your last comment is one very sad commentary on the state of this country.
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Old 07-04-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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And that is exactly what happens here, if you want to live in a certain area, you may be frozen out unless you submit to an HOA. that is what is wrong with these corrupt organizations. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to give away their freedoms like that.
agreed
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