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Old 07-13-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Did you happen to ask the builder what you would get if you opted out of structured wiring?
If I didn't opt of SW then it would be like running cables from one outlet to another in a daisy chain of cords and cables.

I posed the following question to builder and the response I got is:

Can we turn a data port (RJ-45) into phone jack (RJ-11) and back and forth, if so how could I do that?

Yes. They are all installed as RJ-45 jacks and the phone jack fits in the RJ-45. You would tell the line what it would be inside the canister. If it were phone it would be plugged into the phone block, if it were data it would be plugged into your router.



Does it mean that I can easily switch b/w phone and data by plugging them appropriately in the canister, is that simple?

Thanks.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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If I didn't opt of SW then it would be like running cables from one outlet to another in a daisy chain of cords and cables.

I posed the following question to builder and the response I got is:

Can we turn a data port (RJ-45) into phone jack (RJ-11) and back and forth, if so how could I do that?

Yes. They are all installed as RJ-45 jacks and the phone jack fits in the RJ-45. You would tell the line what it would be inside the canister. If it were phone it would be plugged into the phone block, if it were data it would be plugged into your router.



Does it mean that I can easily switch b/w phone and data by plugging them appropriately in the canister, is that simple?

Thanks.
Even more pathetic. I didn't think anyone was doing daisy chain any more. That is a gross disservice they are doing even for their non-structured wiring customers. Welcome to 1980.

An RJ-45 will not fit into an RJ-11 jack in a phone block. Unless I'm overlooking something you can't just swap back and forth at the can. And It's been a long time since I trained on the actual wiring configuration of the two types of connections, but they may not line up either. Maybe someone who does the actual connections every day can chime in on this.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:52 AM
 
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What I have seen done is they will take one of the un-used cable pairs in the CAT 5e cable and wire it up in the canister end for phone service and just leave it like that. On the outlet end they can put in jacks for both. However the circuit is then limited to 100M ethernet because Gigabit (still not that common) takes all 4 pair. That is how they get away with it.
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Old 07-14-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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What I have seen done is they will take one of the un-used cable pairs in the CAT 5e cable and wire it up in the canister end for phone service and just leave it like that. On the outlet end they can put in jacks for both. However the circuit is then limited to 100M ethernet because Gigabit (still not that common) takes all 4 pair. That is how they get away with it.
That is some seriously jackleg, trunkslammer, half a$$ BS. Some people have no work ethic whatsoever.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:18 PM
 
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It's painful to know you can buy the same exact kit they'll use for the low voltage wiring online for a small fraction of that $700 - but you're paying about going rate to have someone do it for you. They have to make money, too. As folks have pointed out here, make sure you have an electric circuit run to the structured wiring can ("patch panel") and inspect their work. For the price they should be doing it right.
I can't take this any more! The misinformation is somewhat shocking. Firstly I do not use the same kit you will buy. The crimper for the RJ45 ends was almost 200 bucks! Ooops, thats something else I don't do, we do not put a rj45 end on the cat5 and then plug it into a 30 dollar switch. You use a rail with RJ45 keystone and make (or buy) short cables to connect to the switch. Oh, keystones, yeah most people just smush the wires in and use the plastic thing to crush them down to the contact points. If you have specifically bought tooless ones, that is ok, but its not "pro." So now I have a punch down tool that was about 80 bucks. And that is another thing, I get inspected by an inspector, I cannot fail. Plus we run QoS tests to verify that the connections are solid.

SW is a very exact science. When I install something I have no idea what the customer will be running thru that LAN jack, hell they might never even use it! I do know it has to work and work right!

And not to be mean to the fellow, but "running the wire down the side of the house." I'd be laughing my ass off if I saw an install like that!

Anyhow
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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Not sure why I was quoted for that rant there... lol - but this is an interesting thread because I now find myself really leaning on wireless. I just got a 802.11ac router and started playing with it - with the proposed speeds of that you're going to destroy the typical wired connections of today. You'd have to be putting in cat6 to even compete.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:03 AM
 
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...- with the proposed speeds of that you're going to destroy the typical wired connections of today. You'd have to be putting in cat6 to even compete.
Hmm. Today's Cat5E will do 1000M without issue if all 8 conductors are used in the cable. Most new installs have this. It's cheap and very reliable. Furthermore you don't have to deal with the encryption & wireless overhead and speed degradations due to radio interference and obstructions.

Seems to me that "destroys" is a bit of a stretch here.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Hmm. Today's Cat5E will do 1000M without issue if all 8 conductors are used in the cable. Most new installs have this. It's cheap and very reliable. Furthermore you don't have to deal with the encryption & wireless overhead and speed degradations due to radio interference and obstructions.

Seems to me that "destroys" is a bit of a stretch here.
Yah, I'd agree it's a bit of a stretch... but how many houses were wired with 4 pairs to the 5E std these days? GigE is relatively new to the consumer side. That was my main point.

My 5G wireless has pretty darn good coverage and you have to admit that it's come a long, long way. Wireless is where it's at until we start seeing 10GigE in our houses...
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Yeah. I wonder how many times someone with $200 crimpers and $80 punch down tools, didn't bother to connect all the conductors.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Yeah. I wonder how many times someone with $200 crimpers and $80 punch down tools, didn't bother to connect all the conductors.
haha - I do too... I'm keen to test my structured cabling to see, but that's relatively low on my list.

Regardless of whether your hard wired device can leverage the GigE, you have to admit the number of devices we use on a daily basis doesn't fit well into a typical cabling scheme - heck in one room you can have a smartTV/googleTV/appleTV/Roku/etc, a gaming console (possibly more than 1 - we have a Wii and XBox), and a PC... that's just one room. Even with foresight that we'd be at that point way back while the walls were open to wire for everything, who would reasonably have that much structured cabling throughout the house? ... and have it all terminated in the exact right spots.

The bottom line for me when I purchased the dual band ac router was that I've come to realize the wire itself is too big of a constraint to how I set-up the devices in my house... Even with the wireless "overhead" of WPA2 and stuff in the way that you mention, you're still in a better place for typical consumer applications which are almost all just streaming and browsing - both of which are perfect for wireless. There's almost nothing you do residential wise to justify structured cabling through the whole house.
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