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Old 08-26-2007, 04:13 PM
 
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Yes, let's be rude and pounce on someone who has a different opinion. PLEASE!

Dawn

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You can always quit and let someone else have your job. This is a right to work state. I think they recruit 50% of their teachers from Union States.
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Home is where we park it.
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This actually should read, How the TEACHER'S UNION KILLED a Dream because it was the Detroit Federation of Teachers (DFT) that killed it.


How the Unions Killed a Dream


Liz
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Old 08-26-2007, 06:52 PM
 
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Default Unions Are Killing NJ Communities

Unions are the single reason why taxes in NJ are the highest in the state. The teacher's union is mucho powerful and in bed (literally) with the governer.

Introduce teachers unions and watch your taxes triple in 10 years.


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This actually should read, How the TEACHER'S UNION KILLED a Dream because it was the Detroit Federation of Teachers (DFT) that killed it.


How the Unions Killed a Dream


Liz
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Suburban Buffalo, NY
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Yes, let's be rude and pounce on someone who has a different opinion. PLEASE!

Dawn
I wasn't trying to be rude, your previous post mentioned you didn't plan on working. I apologize.
It is very different in a right to work state.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:10 AM
 
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Sorry, I thought you were saying, "If you don't like it, give it to someone else."

I had not planned to work but I have been going stir crazy at home and decided to give it a go. The pay is so much lower I just feel that the value of teachers here isn't very high.

If I were a single mom or just starting out I couldn't afford to live here on the salary they give.

Dawn

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I wasn't trying to be rude, your previous post mentioned you didn't plan on working. I apologize.
It is very different in a right to work state.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Sorry, I thought you were saying, "If you don't like it, give it to someone else."

I had not planned to work but I have been going stir crazy at home and decided to give it a go. The pay is so much lower I just feel that the value of teachers here isn't very high.

If I were a single mom or just starting out I couldn't afford to live here on the salary they give.

Dawn
Dawn, just curious (and not meaning to sound ugly at all), could a single mom in LA or San Deigo afford to live as well as you live here on a teachers salary? I know you have said your pay was so much better there, but doesn't that just get eaten up by cost of housing and living?
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:32 AM
 
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Dawn, I ran across your post in the education thread. Your salary there was 95,164 and here was 53,470. So I did a COL between LA and Charlotte.

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To maintain the same standard of living, your salary of $95,164 in Los Angeles-Long Beach, California could decrease to $54,735 in Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, North Carolina
You actually didn't take that much of a pay cut in actual dollars. It just looks like you did. Retirement and job satisfaction is a different story. If you aren't happy here, that's different. NC isn't for everyone. Liz
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:01 AM
 
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North Carolina needs to do away with Right to Work laws immediately! They're antiquated and abusive!

Right to Work laws were a concession between the North and the South after the Civil War. Slavery didn't end after the Civil War, it simply changed forms, now whites were included, thanks to Right to Work laws.

South of the Mason-Dixon Line, there are two types of people: Fantastically rich, and the working poor. There is no in-between (except maybe Nascar drivers).

That's why nobody has any money to start mom-n-pop companies to give all these damn franchises some competition!

In time, as more people from the North move down South, to places like Charlotte and Lake Norman, I believe they'll see that the local economy is lacks culture in a huge way, and they'll pressure State government to end Right to Work laws.

Let's hope it happens sooner than later!

Oh, in case you're wondering, I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER! And you're not going to convince me that it would put small businesses owners out of business.

Yes, there would be some adjustments, some small business would likely go out of business, but in the end having some strong unions around would force more "trickle-down economics."

For the health of our economy as a whole, I'm a capitalist, but I know why it's important to spike capitalism with a dose of socialism: More money available to the middle-class, to people like me, means more customers. And more customers means more jobs.

I pay my movers $20.00 per hour, which is okay, but it's great compared to what an aircraft mechanic at Douglas International earns: $14.83 per hour. And let's face it: My movers aren't directly responsible for the lives of thousands of people everyday.

If you're a teacher, get together and talk with other teachers! Do yourself and North Carolina a huge favor: UNIONIZE!
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:11 AM
 
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North Carolina needs to do away with Right to Work laws immediately! They're antiquated and abusive!

Right to Work laws were a concession between the North and the South after the Civil War. Slavery didn't end after the Civil War, it simply changed forms, now whites were included, thanks to Right to Work laws.

South of the Mason-Dixon Line, there are two types of people: Fantastically rich, and the working poor. There is no in-between (except maybe Nascar drivers).

That's why nobody has any money to start mom-n-pop companies to give all these damn franchises some competition!

In time, as more people from the North move down South, to places like Charlotte and Lake Norman, I believe they'll see that the local economy is lacks culture in a huge way, and they'll pressure State government to end Right to Work laws.

Let's hope it happens sooner than later!

Oh, in case you're wondering, I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER! And you're not going to convince me that it would put small businesses owners out of business.

Yes, there would be some adjustments, some small business would likely go out of business, but in the end having some strong unions around would force more "trickle-down economics."

For the health of our economy as a whole, I'm a capitalist, but I know why it's important to spike capitalism with a dose of socialism: More money available to the middle-class, to people like me, means more customers. And more customers means more jobs.

I pay my movers $20.00 per hour, which is okay, but it's great compared to what an aircraft mechanic at Douglas International earns: $14.83 per hour. And let's face it: My movers aren't directly responsible for the lives of thousands of people everyday.

If you're a teacher, get together and talk with other teachers! Do yourself and North Carolina a huge favor: UNIONIZE!

No offense, really, but this is the kind of Yankee attitude that offends so many southerners. If you like unions so much, please feel free to go live in a state which supports them. In NC we do not support them, and we do not want them. Yankees who come here acting like they know SO MUCH more than we do what is good for us make it harder for all newcomers from the north.
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:27 AM
 
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I'm a Yankee, and think Unions are the bane of this nation!

I am glad NC has no unions!
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