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Old 08-27-2007, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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LM- I am originally from the north and I don't share the same attitude as that guy. Unions IMO had their purpose and did help protect workers many years ago, but in today's free market I think non-union is the way to go...


(see, I'm not negative all the time....)
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Old 08-27-2007, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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LM- I am originally from the north and I don't share the same attitude as that guy. Unions IMO had their purpose and did help protect workers many years ago, but in today's free market I think non-union is the way to go...


(see, I'm not negative all the time....)
hahahaha - that made me smile Jack Glad to know we do share some opinions.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:56 AM
 
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Well, this was my fault because we already owned a house in CA. If we had stayed in it, yes, the house would have been much smaller, but we would have been fine.

As it stands right now, we would do ok. We would have a large sum to put as a down, but yes, the house would be smaller than 2,000 sq. ft. and not much yard compared to our very large house here on land.

But you asked about a new teacher.....yes, it would be difficult, esp. with today's prices.

I was very surprised to see that health insurance would have cost me close to $600/mo for my family on top of what they pay. I know it has gone up nationwide, but I guess I thought the school district would cover more than that.

Dawn

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Dawn, just curious (and not meaning to sound ugly at all), could a single mom in LA or San Deigo afford to live as well as you live here on a teachers salary? I know you have said your pay was so much better there, but doesn't that just get eaten up by cost of housing and living?
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:58 AM
 
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Thanks. Yeah, I see that. You are right. We live pretty well here. I just really don't like losing my seniority, tenture, etc.....but our house is more than 3 times the size of our CA house. I honestly just miss CA and I have had a rough start to working here so that hasn't helped.

Dawn

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Dawn, I ran across your post in the education thread. Your salary there was 95,164 and here was 53,470. So I did a COL between LA and Charlotte.



You actually didn't take that much of a pay cut in actual dollars. It just looks like you did. Retirement and job satisfaction is a different story. If you aren't happy here, that's different. NC isn't for everyone. Liz
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:49 AM
 
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Thanks. Yeah, I see that. You are right. We live pretty well here. I just really don't like losing my seniority, tenture, etc.....but our house is more than 3 times the size of our CA house. I honestly just miss CA and I have had a rough start to working here so that hasn't helped.

Dawn
Girl - you make more than I do! SERIOUS. Now I am depressed....
Just Kidding... Have you thought of teaching in the community college - as long as you have 18 hours of graduate credit in the area you teach in, you can. I forget what your Master's is, but it's a thought Of course, we do not make that much......
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:28 PM
 
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I am a Yankee and LOVE that NC does not have unions. They are corrupt and distort the free market.

If you love UNIONS move to a state that supports them.

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No offense, really, but this is the kind of Yankee attitude that offends so many southerners. If you like unions so much, please feel free to go live in a state which supports them. In NC we do not support them, and we do not want them. Yankees who come here acting like they know SO MUCH more than we do what is good for us make it harder for all newcomers from the north.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:56 PM
 
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Well, that is a thought. I have taught CC ESL before. But then the whole issue of childcare in the evenings comes in and there is no security in that sort of job, etc.....

I have an MA in TESOL and an MA in School Counseling.

I really SHOULD have waited for a counseling job. I didn't and I really don't care for the program I am in. But it will be ok.

Dawn

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Girl - you make more than I do! SERIOUS. Now I am depressed....
Just Kidding... Have you thought of teaching in the community college - as long as you have 18 hours of graduate credit in the area you teach in, you can. I forget what your Master's is, but it's a thought Of course, we do not make that much......
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Home is where we park it.
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North Carolina needs to do away with Right to Work laws immediately! They're antiquated and abusive!

Right to Work laws were a concession between the North and the South after the Civil War. Slavery didn't end after the Civil War, it simply changed forms, now whites were included, thanks to Right to Work laws.

South of the Mason-Dixon Line, there are two types of people: Fantastically rich, and the working poor. There is no in-between (except maybe Nascar drivers).

That's why nobody has any money to start mom-n-pop companies to give all these damn franchises some competition!

In time, as more people from the North move down South, to places like Charlotte and Lake Norman, I believe they'll see that the local economy is lacks culture in a huge way, and they'll pressure State government to end Right to Work laws.

Let's hope it happens sooner than later!

Oh, in case you're wondering, I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER! And you're not going to convince me that it would put small businesses owners out of business.

Yes, there would be some adjustments, some small business would likely go out of business, but in the end having some strong unions around would force more "trickle-down economics."

For the health of our economy as a whole, I'm a capitalist, but I know why it's important to spike capitalism with a dose of socialism: More money available to the middle-class, to people like me, means more customers. And more customers means more jobs.

I pay my movers $20.00 per hour, which is okay, but it's great compared to what an aircraft mechanic at Douglas International earns: $14.83 per hour. And let's face it: My movers aren't directly responsible for the lives of thousands of people everyday.

If you're a teacher, get together and talk with other teachers! Do yourself and North Carolina a huge favor: UNIONIZE!
I seldom copy entire posts...but in this case I need to address just too much of it.

Okay, first a HISTORY lesson.
Right to Work is based on the Taft-Hartley Law passed on June 23, 1947. It was NOT passed right after the Civil War. Right-to-work law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Taft-Hartley Act outlaws the "closed shop." The Act, however, permits employers and unions to operate under a "union shop" rule, which requires all new employees to join the union after a minimum period after their hire. Under "union shop" rules, employers are obliged to fire any employees who have avoided paying membership dues necessary to maintain membership in the union; however, the union cannot demand that the employer discharge an employee who has been expelled from membership for any other reason.
Second, there are currently 22 states with Right to Work laws, not all of them in the south:

Right-to-work states shown in turquoise

Third, Unions at one point in time HAD their place...but they are currently KILLING the states they are in now. Look at MI as one example. People are bailing from that state in record numbers because that state is in serious trouble and at the bottom of that trouble lies the UNIONS!

Pay may be lower in non-union states but cost of living is lower in non-union states. It balances out for a reason. Liz
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC (Charlotte 'burb)
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Nobody in the south wants to deal with anything called a "union." Look what happened last time C'mon y'all, it's a joke. I think some professions need unions; teaching is not one of them.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Default There is a place for the unions

I am a teacher who has worked in NC and MA. My fellow teachers in NC thoughts Union was a dirty word but they don't understand how bad they have it.
First: On snow days, teachers are required to report to work or they don't get paid. The days are treated as teacher work days. Now I was unaware of this during the ice storm of 2002 and the first two days after the storm my school didn't have power (neither did my house) so I went to my husband's work and graded papers all day because that's what teachers do with "free time". I found out later that I was supposed to be at work and sit in the dark if I wanted to get paid. Apparently the state doesn't think that we are professionals that do much of our work from home. Instead we are treated as hourly employees. As a professional, I spend a lot of time at home preparing for my classroom. If I only worked while I was "on the clock" my students would suffer. I am very insulted by this "snow day" policy. If it is too dangerous for the students to get to work, it is also too dangerous for the teachers. I can assure everyone that most teachers spend more than enough time at home preparing for their classrooms to make up for the snow day time. I currently work in MA and we would never be expected to go in on a day like that. In fact one day when our power went out and we sent the kids home our principal sent us home too telling us that we could be more productive where there is electricity.

Second: Benefits aren't as good.

Third: There is no effective organization to protect the class sizes and teacher's prep time. In NC, some of my classes had 4 students over the cap and there was nothing I could do about it. In MA I only need to file a grievance- except that it has never happened. This policy benefits the students more than the teachers. In NC, I was always asked to substitute for absent teachers during my prep period (for no pay). In MA the time is protected and if they really need my help and the time exceeds my contracted extra duty time, they have to pay me. This too has never happened.

Trust me, unions are a good thing! If you are wondering what happens to the bad teachers in NC since there is no union to protect their job.
NOTHING! There is such a teacher shortage that some of the crappiest teachers kept their jobs. In fact we were in such desperate need of teachers in NC that our principal was just looking for "warm bodies" to put into the classrooms (he really said that to the staff sitting in on interviews Here in MA we have a lot of competition for our jobs and the quality of teaching is much higher.
I know some unions have abused their power, however, the teachers in NC really suffer!
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