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Old 04-23-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I dont doubt people get great care...heck, i did. Im just saying kudos to the CO for opening my eyes (and by the responses on here many others are surprised.)
One of our posters has posted that he or she works at both Cleveland Regional & CMC Main. I can tell you, from experience, that finances are handled very differently,
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:40 PM
 
Location: California
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I agree with everything except for this part, only because Americans no longer have a real choice at the polls. Both major political parties are owned by the corporate class. We have one corporate party that has a Republican wing and a Democratic wing, with the latter being slightly more socially liberal than the former. Both wings pretend to be in conflict when they actually are not. Notice how they only "fight" over "culture war" issues. Those don't cost corporations like Carolina's Healthcare System any money.
I don't disagree with you. We really have no choices as the corporations don't hear us at all. I hope you watch the Bill Moyers series has he has touched on the winner takes all politics. If you missed some of it you can find it at his web site.

When I go to Kaiser I am so disgusted listening to their employees discussing their fat retirement packages and pay increases. They are so arrogant, even care whether a patient hears them bragging which is why this article has really struck a nerve with me.

Even Superman needed medical care in the end, so hopefully those responsible will learn that good health doesn't last forever. To the rest, my heart goes out in sympathy and frustration.

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Old 04-23-2012, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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And this is in no way not a knock on the people in the pits and front lines who give great care.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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You guys really ought to read the continuing series in the Charlotte Observer. It is enough to make you pack your bags and move to England!!
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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I bet all these corporate healthcare millionaires don't want Obamacare....they will be making much, much less money. Really, do we need them? Thanks to the Charlotte Observer for some good reporting. Articles like this make my subscription worth it.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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I bet all these corporate healthcare millionaires don't want Obamacare....they will be making much, much less money. Really, do we need them? Thanks to the Charlotte Observer for some good reporting. Articles like this make my subscription worth it.
Not so sure about "corporate healthcare millionaires don't want Obamacare".

Why?

I'd sure like it if my business sector was just handed another 55 million (or thereabouts) new customers. This is like building a healthcare system for a country the size of the UK or France. There just HAS to be money in that.

There will be more hospitals, clinics, nurces, doctors, equipment, yo name it. The corporate bozos can then claim, that they do not yet have enough resources (caused by congress) so prices must go up due to supply and demand. This will not just be here in NC but US-wide.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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When we move to Charlotte next year, I shall be paying $21K in healthcare for my wife and I. This is a maximum anually. You can bet that this will rise yearly. we are going with Inclusive Health Inclusive Health North Carolina - You Are Insurable. as they have a cap on what I will have to spend.

To put this in context, I will have to buy and rent out two condos (two bedrooms each $1500 per month - HOA & expenses) just to pay for this. These will have to be cash deals - no mortgages.

Once I have bought my two rental condos, I can then buy myself a house to live in.

I am not complaining about this. Just sayin'. In fact I believe that I could get up to 5 extra years of life from the excellent care that I shall now be paying for.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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I bet all these corporate healthcare millionaires don't want Obamacare....they will be making much, much less money. Really, do we need them? Thanks to the Charlotte Observer for some good reporting. Articles like this make my subscription worth it.
I think the healthcare titans love that Obamacare requires that we all buy their junk insurance. The Justice Dept. should really investigate Carolina's Health Care for anti-trust violations. The Justice Dept. is full of corporate lackeys so they probably don't care and it doesn't matter which political party controls the White House. That's the big scam that makes blind partisans think they've accomplished something because their "team" won the presidency when, in reality, the status quo continues regardless.

The article itself referenced the system's ability to exercise market power to negotiate drug prices. I don't live in Charlotte but does anyone know if they have any competition in the metro area? Do people go to other hospitals in the area for cheaper prices or do they all try to go to a Carolina's Health hospital because they have a good reputation.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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In fact I believe that I could get up to 5 extra years of life from the excellent care that I shall now be paying for.
Huh? Do you have a terminal medical condition now where CMC/Presby will keep your life going, or are you just making a random prediction?
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Ayrsley
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or, at the very least...they pay taxes like everyone else!



Let's make the churches pay tax too...because a lot of those places are raking in the some pretty good dough (and they are not conducting life-saving procedures on a daily basis).



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You guys really ought to read the continuing series in the Charlotte Observer. It is enough to make you pack your bags and move to England!!


Actually, there is a big debate going on in the UK regarding privatizing their healthcare system as well.


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I bet all these corporate healthcare millionaires don't want Obamacare....they will be making much, much less money. Really, do we need them? Thanks to the Charlotte Observer for some good reporting. Articles like this make my subscription worth it.



My biggest problem with Obama's plan was that he had the right idea, but went about it in a totally backwards way. It was more about finding ways to pay for insurance, rather than making heath care more affordable to begin with. As someone who works for "big, bad pharma," I can tell you that there are a number of things that could be done to make many prescriptions more affordable (getting rid of generics would be a huge step in that direction).

The current plan will not result in healthcare-related companies making less money; it will eat into some profits, but they will just raise prices to make up for those lost funds. And, for the record, the profit margin of most private health insurance comapnies is much smaller than most other types of industries.
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