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Old 04-27-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Supporters, the CCCP, the newspaper, etc all said that tearing down the perfectly good Charlotte Coliseum and spending $300M in taxpayer money to build the Bobcats Arena would be a good investment for the city. We see the results of that mess and none of it came true. They said the same thing about the NASCAR HOF, it's even a worse mess.

So now they are trying yet again to push through that baseball stadium where the people had voted to put a nice city park there. Yet again there are the same people, mostly all on taxpayer paid for jobs, again there spewing out the same arguments which have no basis in reality.

Taxpayers should not be building private stadiums and certainly should not be handing welfare to corporations.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Supporters, the CCCP, the newspaper, etc all said that tearing down the perfectly good Charlotte Coliseum and spending $300M in taxpayer money to build the Bobcats Arena would be a good investment for the city. We see the results of that mess and none of it came true. They said the same thing about the NASCAR HOF, it's even a worse mess.

So now they are trying yet again to push through that baseball stadium where the people had voted to put a nice city park there. Yet again there are the same people, mostly all on taxpayer paid for jobs, again there spewing out the same arguments which have no basis in reality.

Taxpayers should not be building private stadiums and certainly should not be handing welfare to corporations.
So you are in the camp for no incentives for anything. Corporations to come here, schools, whitewater/etc....
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I am just baffled at how, either you guys dont read, and you're just being quite IGNORANT.....but what dont ya'll understand about THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
Ill right it 5 more times, and if ya'll fail understand it this time, then I guess it wasn't meant to be.

THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX, AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TAX PAYING CITIZENS????
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Maybe YOU should read. 2.5mm of the $$ is coming from the propert tax bucket.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Quick Question...

Since the Steelers new stadium was built with taxpayers money they don't control who gets to use it. I'm wondering if it's the same way with TW and this ballpark if it's built. Will the city get to use the ballpark for other events?
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Quick Question...

Since the Steelers new stadium was built with taxpayers money they don't control who gets to use it. I'm wondering if it's the same way with TW and this ballpark if it's built. Will the city get to use the ballpark for other events?
depends on the agreement that they worked out. I'm sure the knights would love to have control over the park, but who knows what the fine print of the deal says
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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Supporters, the CCCP, the newspaper, etc all said that tearing down the perfectly good Charlotte Coliseum and spending $300M in taxpayer money to build the Bobcats Arena would be a good investment for the city. We see the results of that mess and none of it came true. They said the same thing about the NASCAR HOF, it's even a worse mess.

So now they are trying yet again to push through that baseball stadium where the people had voted to put a nice city park there. Yet again there are the same people, mostly all on taxpayer paid for jobs, again there spewing out the same arguments which have no basis in reality.

Taxpayers should not be building private stadiums and certainly should not be handing welfare to corporations.
This was 1970's thinking - build an arena in the middle of nowhere or in suburbia, and then surround it with parking spaces. Good for charging you to park, but not good as far as boosting the local economy. This made the Charlotte Coliseum obsolete. Modern thinking is build arenas and stadiums in downtown locations. While more inconvenient for parking, it makes more economic sense as the area around the venue is developed and it gets people into an area, supporting local businesses before and after events.

The TW arena was a good investment for the city. The DNC would not have come here if the only venue for most of the convention's events was the Charlotte Coliseum. I don’t think Jock and Jill’s could handle the crowds when people wanted a bite to eat or a drink after the day’s events.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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This was 1970's thinking - build an arena in the middle of nowhere or in suburbia, and then surround it with parking spaces. Good for charging you to park, but not good as far as boosting the local economy. This made the Charlotte Coliseum obsolete. Modern thinking is build arenas and stadiums in downtown locations. While more inconvenient for parking, it makes more economic sense as the area around the venue is developed and it gets people into an area, supporting local businesses before and after events.

The TW arena was a good investment for the city. The DNC would not have come here if the only venue for most of the convention's events was the Charlotte Coliseum. I donít think Jock and Jillís could handle the crowds when people wanted a bite to eat or a drink after the dayís events.
The epicenter and surrounding areas make decent money from the crowds who leave TW. I make sure to eat before or after I go to TW because concession prices are ridiculous.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Concord, NC
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THE TAX IS COMING FROM A HOTEL TAX
Do the Knights have to wait for the hotel tax money to be collected before they receive the money? Do the Knights get any or all of it up front with the city hoping to be reimbursed through the tax?
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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MLB in Charlotte will never happen. City is just way too small to support a team. I remember reading somewhere that if we were to have a team we would have one of the smallest if not the smallest metro areas in MLB. No way would we be able to fill a stadium even half full for 81 games. Its a pipe dream, and with the way MLB is played if we had a team it would basically be a triple A team. Just look at the Pirates and the Royals.
There's a shift happening in MLB as most teams are deriving a much larger portion of their income from their broadcast rights. In the next few years, even the small market teams will negotiate new contracts to enough TV money from regional sports networks to cover a good chuck of their payrolls, even the small market teams. So TV market size and MLB assigned territories will be a determining factor as much as city size.
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