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Old 06-23-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Why would it hurt? Dont just rattle stuff in random, provide backing and stats. I did not suggest flea market. That would hurt.
No I'm not going to waste my time.

First off, in this country food courts are indoor affairs. Surely you don't think that a temporary builging is a good idea. That means that what you are talking about is a cluster of vendors. I've seem that in parks. Specifically, I've seen it in older east coast cities & Europe. They are parks with grass, shrubs, flowers & seating. Letting a bunch of vendors loose on a plot of land in a city would look like a flea market.

As far as 5 acres being puny, 5 acres = 20234.282 square meters.

In this country we vote on bonds. If it takes them 10 years to get to part of the work that the bond is for, the money has to be spent on what was intended or they have to ask for permission to do otherwise.

Now sit down & quit hyperventalting.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:42 AM
 
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I may be wrong...or I am wrong
In fact you are correct in your assertions concerning this. I believe the park in question was voted in by the public, but it was for the site where they have now decided to put the new baseball stadium. When the vote for those bonds was taken it included the statement the money would not be used to for baseball.

So what did they do when they want something the public votes against? They change the rules and weasel word it from there on. Specifically the city, county, CMS and others got into a complicate land swap deal where the end result is the park will now be built on different and a significantly smaller plot of land that we are talking about now. It's quite a shame because before the entire Knights debacle started, the taxpayers had already paid for a detailed park design that will never get built. It would have been fairly unique with the highway hidden from the park. Of course the access journalists in Charlotte are instructed to never raise these issues.

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On the other commentary about government making an "investment". This is hogwash. Governments can't invest because governments have no money of their own. Governments simply take money via taxes from one segment of society and hand it to another via all kinds methods. When they spend taxpayer money to improve business, this really means they have circumvented the free market and instead are now picking business winners and losers. (socialism) It flabberghasts me that people fall for this all the time.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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No I'm not going to waste my time.

First off, in this country food courts are indoor affairs. Surely you don't think that a temporary builging is a good idea. That means that what you are talking about is a cluster of vendors. I've seem that in parks. Specifically, I've seen it in older east coast cities & Europe. They are parks with grass, shrubs, flowers & seating. Letting a bunch of vendors loose on a plot of land in a city would look like a flea market.

As far as 5 acres being puny, 5 acres = 20234.282 square meters.

In this country we vote on bonds. If it takes them 10 years to get to part of the work that the bond is for, the money has to be spent on what was intended or they have to ask for permission to do otherwise.

Now sit down & quit hyperventalting.
You are missing the point... Why build now? County is broke.. No money..what don't you understand in that? It was supposed to be built on a larger plot.. 5 acres is small...unless you are coming from jersey or ny...

As you know new jersey spends the way you want.( spend more than you have) .they are dead broke.. You want north Carolina to become same?

Have you seen the park in question? If not please visit if you are uptown

Ps: hyperventilating once in a while is very good for health..
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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You are missing the point... Why build now? County is broke.. No money..what don't you understand in that? It was supposed to be built on a larger plot.. 5 acres is small...unless you are coming from jersey or ny...

As you know new jersey spends the way you want.( spend more than you have) .they are dead broke.. You want north Carolina to become same?

Have you seen the park in question? If not please visit if you are uptown

Ps: hyperventilating once in a while is very good for health..

Your missing the point said several times in this thread the voters approved of this money to be used. If anything voters should be upset over is the fact it going to be another rinky dink park the same size as Marshall Park (a park I rarely see anyone using) and not the size they voted on. Also since it is smaller where does the extra funds go for the estimated previous park value.

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Old 06-24-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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Your missing the point said several times in this thread the voters approved of this money to be used. If anything voters should be upset over is the fact it going to be another rinky dink park the same size as Marshall Park (a park I rarely see anyone using) and not the size they voted on. Also since it is smaller where does the extras funds go for the estimated previous park value.

The point I am making is.. Why now? Can't they wait for another 3 or 5 or 10 more years? Why build something when you are broke....

They already spent $2million on a design which the threw away .. Old design.. Why spend $12mill more now... Wait for economy to improve.. At least till jobless rate drops below 5%
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:40 AM
 
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The part your not understanding is the money is already approved

How is that going to save money the county would still have to pay interest on the 12 $million on the bond that is already 7 years old.

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Old 06-24-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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You are missing the point... Why build now? County is broke.. No money..what don't you understand in that? It was supposed to be built on a larger plot.. 5 acres is small...unless you are coming from jersey or ny...

As you know new jersey spends the way you want.( spend more than you have) .they are dead broke.. You want north Carolina to become same?

Have you seen the park in question? If not please visit if you are uptown

Ps: hyperventilating once in a while is very good for health..
No, you don't get it. This was voted on & approved. A bond was floated. That provides the money for the park. The money has been sitting there since the bond was floated.

NJ being broke has nothing to do with this It has everything to do with a tax cut pushed through the legislature by former Republican governor, Christie Todd Whitman that blew a huge hole in the budget. She then got a law passed to use pension money that the state was obliged to put in the teachers pension fund, to plug the hole. This is not even remotely the same thing.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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The part your not understanding is the money is already approved

How is that going to save money the county would still have to pay interest on the 12 $million on the bond that is already 7 years old.

Money is getting paid out fom 2012 budget.. Not from 2005 bond.. They bonds may already have been paid out...

Please read the 2012 and 2013 budget....it's getting paid from tax money...
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:13 PM
 
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Ok, you do have a point. After some digging, the bonds that was voted in 2005 was actually a land bond, voters allowed the county to issue bonds to acquire land and property for the park, not the actual construction expenses of the park. Then in 2008, there was a land swap with a few other entities for where the currently under construction park is now located. However that still means that the land acquired is meant to be used as a park only, and this is where the original Reese lawsuits came in with the land swap and the Knights Stadium. The county sees that the land swap held true to the intentions of putting a park in 3rd Ward as part of 2005 Land Bond.

However the county is not "broke" we are still solvent and able to maintain a good credit rating to be able to service our general debt. This park has been in the process for years now, build it now while construction expenses are still low.

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Old 06-26-2012, 06:48 AM
 
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The Park and Recreation Department falls within Mecklenburg County, not the city. Please stop referring this park as if it's a city responsibility and also it's the will of the people who voted for the bond to fund this park back in 2005. Within that bond package, the funds is limited to only park building and the bond has been issued years ago. Do you want Mecklenburg County to renege on its fiduciary duties to those who voted on this bond back in 2005?
Is that like the "will of the people" who voted to use taxpayer money to build the new failing Bobcat's arena?

Who paid price for Charlotte's arena vote? - Charlotte Business Journal

Or how about that taxpayer funded Nascar hall of fame?

NASCAR hall attendance falling short | www.thatsracin.com
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