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Old 08-10-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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Saw this today and I was a little surprised since I've read some negative comments here in CD


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Did something change? Are people commenting here wrong or is US News completely off base?
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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Saw this today and I was a little surprised since I've read some negative comments here in CD


Top North Carolina High Schools | Best High Schools | US News




Did something change? Are people commenting here wrong or is US News completely off base?

Nothing against Hopewell High, and I do hope they are seeing great achievement there, but you can get statistics to say anything.

I suspect if you study the methodology for how the magazine arrived at this ranking you'd see a clearer picture.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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Best High Schools Methodology - US News and World Report
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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That is very interesting methodology and quite legitimate. Considering whether disadvantaged students (by race and/or income) are performing better than would be expected seems to me a valuable piece of information particularly for those very families.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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According to state proficiency rankings Hopewell and North Meck scored a 78% and 79% this year and neither met AMO objectives. Other nearby schools outside of CMS (Lake Norman High, Mooresville High) were both above 90%. The lone CMS high score in the Lake Norman/North Charlotte area was Hough High.

While I read the three step methodology, they are also lacking scores for many schools and relying heavily on AP scores. Schools have vastly different ways that students can qualify for an AP course, so to compare number of enrolled students from school to school, district to district and even state to state isn't very valid. I think other area schools could have made it through the cut the described in step one and two (high test scores and varied demographics) but the final judgement using AP participation is difficult because it is not consistent at all.

While I think state testing leaves much to be desired I think the NC ABC report gives more valuable information than a news piece like this. I do appreciate them including socioeconomic factors and minority subgroups because I do think that shows an exceptionally strong education program. However, I don't think the data represents any more than a parent could do with the NC report and a little bit of extra research.

I would also be interested in seeing a similar report that takes into account parental surveys & feedback, incident reports, police reports, etc.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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Did something change? Are people commenting here wrong or is US News completely off base?
What are the dates on the Hopewell comments you find so unflattering? Honestly, when my son was scheduled to go there oh, about 9 or 10 years ago, my neighbors and the other parents that already had kids there said it was a nightmare. I may have even made one (or more) of the unflattering comments... BUT, that was a dozen years ago.

I haven't been paying much attention to Hopewell since I put my son in a Charter School in another county and never looked back.

For Hopewell's sake, I'm thrilled to hear the news that they're the top rated HS in NC! Hooray for Hopewell!!!
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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Nothing against Hopewell High, and I do hope they are seeing great achievement there, but you can get statistics to say anything.

I suspect if you study the methodology for how the magazine arrived at this ranking you'd see a clearer picture.
I think it depended on how much information the school gave the magazine. Ardrey Kell, Highland School of Technology, & Kings Mountain HS did better with AP scores than many schools on the list but did not furnish the Algebra I & English breakdowns. I could have found more, but at that point I realized that it was a waste of time.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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OP should change title since it is misleading.

When someone says just "best in NC" without specifying the criteria, it is the same as saying an athlete has the best Olympic record in 2012 - without mentioning it is for Paralympics...

While I fully agree that many schools are doing an amazing job (obviously Hopewell) and the teachers job is probably much harder than others due to higher challenges, it is unfair to just say "best school in NC" without mentioning the criteria: "We compared each school's math and reading proficiency rates for disadvantaged students with the statewide results for these student groups and then selected schools that were performing better than this state average. "
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Of course kudos for Hopewell, great success story!
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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OP should change title since it is misleading.

When someone says just "best in NC" without specifying the criteria, it is the same as saying an athlete has the best Olympic record in 2012 - without mentioning it is for Paralympics...

While I fully agree that many schools are doing an amazing job (obviously Hopewell) and the teachers job is probably much harder than others due to higher challenges, it is unfair to just say "best school in NC" without mentioning the criteria: "We compared each school's math and reading proficiency rates for disadvantaged students with the statewide results for these student groups and then selected schools that were performing better than this state average. "
Best High Schools Methodology - US News and World Report

Of course kudos for Hopewell, great success story!
that's a long title... lol
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Strangely, this award was due to Hopewell's having an alternative program for non-college bound students. It has nothing to do with scores, behaviors, or other such factors. Great accomplishment for the school, but give me a break.
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