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Originally Posted by anifani821
FREW: I understood what you meant and your comments were valid. They chose Charlotte cause they thought it would tie up the state for them. But honestly, I knew that at the time - they made no pretense of it. And that is fine! That is actually good politics.
I also agree with those who said - who gives a rat's ass about polls. Really. I have had to design polls for various organizations in the past (in a professional capacity) and truly - opinion changes as the wind blows.
I have been involved in this state's politics since a child as my dad was in politics for part of his life. I am fascinated with voting patterns . . . and there is no way in hell I would make a prediction on whether this state is going red or blue or purple come November.
Anyone who thinks they know the politics of this state and is making a prediction is either a fool or a tool.
Ani, I would not guess, either, concerning the top of the tickets. I do see a trend downballot. People here are angry. Please view that Deb Butler ad. That sums up what I hear about the down ballot races. I would not want to guess as far as the whole state, but I'm in a blue city in what is now a blue county. It's probably blue dog blue, but blue just the same. The Republicans changed District 10 to run from Gastonia to Asheville to neutralize Asheville. Cleveland county has gone more blue & I don't think that Gastonia is going to vote from McHenry. So far I'm seeing fewer political signs in yards & only one for Romney. That may change.
The convention was a success for the DNC & the city. Which way the state votes remains to be seen.
Are you calling the OP a fool or a tool? Just sayin...
Oh lord, no no. Please tell me it didn't come off that way!
I was referring to all the talking heads and pundits on the airwaves. People are trying to make predictions when it is a ridiculous proposition to begin with. You would think this was a horse race and we all had money on the outcome, lol.
I think the OP brought up something interesting - that the DNC chose CLT to give them an edge in the election. I personally think that was smart politics and definitely something anyone in charge of a political convention should consider . . . use everything at your disposal to give your candidate an edge.
However, the statements by Tim Kaine just look kinda presumptuous at this point in time, cause holding a convention in this city or any other city can't swing an election (wh/ is pretty much what Kaine was saying in that quote). That is all FREW was pointing out - that it was presumptuous.
As others have pointed out, we really won't know whether the tactic worked or not til the last vote is counted.
In retrospect (now that the DNC is over) I honestly don't see how having the DNC here in Charlotte benefitted the DNC any more than it benefitted Charlotte - just through the exposure. But who knows - maybe having it here helped with vote-getting. I don't see how it could have hurt.
I don't think having the convention in another state would help them keep the state blue. Who knows if it will go for Obama but it definitely wasn't a failure.
Not sure how someone can pronounce it as such... then say it's 50/50.
The only failure to come out of the Convention is Dear Leader Obama. The veil has been lifted for the whole country to see. When he does lose North Carolina and the election he and the media wil blame everything from racism to the insignificant video story that they've been peddling for almost a month. So long Barry.
Oh lord, no no. Please tell me it didn't come off that way!
I was referring to all the talking heads and pundits on the airwaves. People are trying to make predictions when it is a ridiculous proposition to begin with. You would think this was a horse race and we all had money on the outcome, lol.
I think the OP brought up something interesting - that the DNC chose CLT to give them an edge in the election. I personally think that was smart politics and definitely something anyone in charge of a political convention should consider . . . use everything at your disposal to give your candidate an edge.
However, the statements by Tim Kaine just look kinda presumptuous at this point in time, cause holding a convention in this city or any other city can't swing an election (wh/ is pretty much what Kaine was saying in that quote). That is all FREW was pointing out - that it was presumptuous.
As others have pointed out, we really won't know whether the tactic worked or not til the last vote is counted.
In retrospect (now that the DNC is over) I honestly don't see how having the DNC here in Charlotte benefitted the DNC any more than it benefitted Charlotte - just through the exposure. But who knows - maybe having it here helped with vote-getting. I don't see how it could have hurt.
I was joking... but the title and OP said it failed...
this isn't known yet and even if NC doesn't stay blue was it really a failure? Did you think the convention failed? On my TV screen it looked energetic, fun and vibrant.
Conventions don't win elections... never have, never will... but I think it's smart to have them in toss up states instead of pro blue or pro red states. That's a horrible strategy IMO.
Ani, I would not guess, either, concerning the top of the tickets. I do see a trend downballot. People here are angry. Please view that Deb Butler ad. That sums up what I hear about the down ballot races. I would not want to guess as far as the whole state, but I'm in a blue city in what is now a blue county. It's probably blue dog blue, but blue just the same. The Republicans changed District 10 to run from Gastonia to Asheville to neutralize Asheville. Cleveland county has gone more blue & I don't think that Gastonia is going to vote from McHenry. So far I'm seeing fewer political signs in yards & only one for Romney. That may change.
The convention was a success for the DNC & the city. Which way the state votes remains to be seen.
Yes, no way I would be making predictions. The DEM registration in this state, overall, far outweighs the GOP. Folks here traditionally vote how they see it - not according to party lines. There are pockets, of course, where you can count on straight line tickets, but that is not true when the state as a whole is considered. So you are right - no way to tell what is going to happen in NC come election day.
I have also noticed (and you probably have, too!) that just b/c people are being quiet doens't mean they haevn't made up their minds. As it typical in this region, the majority of folks dont' really want everyone to know their political leanings, as people get angry with one another - they take their politics seriously! Local politics is one thing . . . but state and national . . . the folks I grew up around rarely say too much about who they are voting for - or just nod and agree even if they do NOT agree - just to keep from getting into a disagreement.
The only failure to come out of the Convention is Dear Leader Obama. The veil has been lifted for the whole country to see. When he does lose North Carolina and the election he and the media wil blame everything from racism to the insignificant video story that they've been peddling for almost a month. So long Barry.
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I think the OP brought up something interesting - that the DNC chose CLT to give them an edge in the election. I personally think that was smart politics and definitely something anyone in charge of a political convention should consider . . . use everything at your disposal to give your candidate an edge.
However, the statements by Tim Kaine just look kinda presumptuous at this point in time, cause holding a convention in this city or any other city can't swing an election (wh/ is pretty much what Kaine was saying in that quote). That is all FREW was pointing out - that it was presumptuous. .....
Indeed. It was a bad miscalculation given the state reasons for holding it in Charlotte. I've noticed a marked drop in Obama adverts on TV in the last few days which is an indication they have already given up here. They might have wanted to stick with Cleveland instead given the goal they gave for holding the election in Charlotte.
Yes, no way I would be making predictions. The DEM registration in this state, overall, far outweighs the GOP. Folks here traditionally vote how they see it - not according to party lines. There are pockets, of course, where you can count on straight line tickets, but that is not true when the state as a whole is considered. So you are right - no way to tell what is going to happen in NC come election day.
I have also noticed (and you probably have, too!) that just b/c people are being quiet doens't mean they haevn't made up their minds. As it typical in this region, the majority of folks dont' really want everyone to know their political leanings, as people get angry with one another - they take their politics seriously! Local politics is one thing . . . but state and national . . . the folks I grew up around rarely say too much about who they are voting for - or just nod and agree even if they do NOT agree - just to keep from getting into a disagreement.
I have no idea how NC will go... Not sure about the polling being abandoned. I was called a few weeks ago but hung up on them because I was busy.
They called again last weekend... I gave an honest answer.
I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is moving sources for a different path to victory.. he has several.
I was joking... but the title and OP said it failed...
this isn't known yet and even if NC doesn't stay blue was it really a failure? Did you think the convention failed? On my TV screen it looked energetic, fun and vibrant.
Conventions don't win elections... never have, never will... but I think it's smart to have them in toss up states instead of pro blue or pro red states. That's a horrible strategy IMO.
The convention went very well, from both the perspective of Charlotte being the host city to the convention participants and speakers, themselves. No way it was a failure but I don't know that it changed any votes HERE IN CHARLOTTE just b/c the convention was here.
But as I said earlier - in politics - you use everything at your disposal to influence the vote, and so it only made sense for the DNC to want to be in a city/state where the coverage could possibly energize supporters to get out and vote.
That's just good politics.
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