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Old 10-29-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Though I don't expect you to believe me, the fact is that the election is strictly off-limits in LDS worship services, etc. Of course, individual members of a congregation may talk among themselves about it, but the Church definitely has not endorsed Mitt Romney. And if you were to be a tourist visiting Temple Square in Salt Lake City right about now, you would not hear one word spoken by the missionaries or Church employees there about the election. You would see no signs on any LDS Church property in support of Romney. And that is the truth.
Thank you for confirming as a Mormon what I knew to be true.

The Catholic Church takes a similar hands off approach.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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Thank you for confirming as a Mormon what I knew to be true.

The Catholic Church takes a similar hands off approach.
SO do the Anglicans and Lutherans. I can't speak for other religions and denominations.

I have been in Anglican, Catholic and Lutheran churches as either a member or organist, and the leadership of every church I have been involved in is extremely sensitive about maintaining their tax exempt status.

Not for profits and tax exempt organizations must always remain acutely aware of maintaining that status. I have worked as a consultant with not for profits for over 25 years now and this is something that is spelled out in mission and vision statements and is regularly reviewed to make sure all regs are being met.

That is why this is such a big deal to me. It seems some people think it is okay to "cheat." I don't.

If you don't want to follow the rules, don't charter your organization as a tax exempt organization.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:16 PM
 
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Endorsing a candidate from the pulpit of a church with tax exempt status is cause for the church to lose its tax exempt status.

Every minister who does this is putting his church's tax exempt status at risk. Every case should be investigated and every church that allows this to happen should lose its tax exempt status.

And that is really all that there is to say about that.
The government won't enforce this. First, they got rid of the person that was in charge of enforcing the law and the position remains unfilled. Second, they know that there is an organized movement to take this to the supreme court. First amendment will trump the law.

Taxing churches regardless of what they say is a violation of separation of church and state.

The feds won't bite.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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FELT: please share with us what minister anywhere in this country has gotten up and blatantly told his or her members who to vote for since you seem to have some secret knowledge that the rest of us do not have.

I have never been in any church of any denomination where the minister has even suggested who his/her members should be voting for.

It is sure interesting how the majority of folks on this board are quick to say they do not attend church yet everyone seems to suddenly be an ecumenical expert on who is preaching what and where when a violation of a church's tax exempt status comes up.
More than 1000 preachers defied the law on "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" (good Google search term).

Religious Leaders Defy the IRS and Endorse Political Candidates on Pulpit Freedom Sunday | Video | TheBlaze.com
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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More than 1000 preachers defied the law on "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" (good Google search term).

Religious Leaders Defy the IRS and Endorse Political Candidates on Pulpit Freedom Sunday | Video | TheBlaze.com
How many here in Charlotte?
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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The government won't enforce this. First, they got rid of the person that was in charge of enforcing the law and the position remains unfilled. Second, they know that there is an organized movement to take this to the supreme court. First amendment will trump the law.

Taxing churches regardless of what they say is a violation of separation of church and state.

The feds won't bite.
I appreciate your info, GC and will look into this further.

Very interesting.
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Old 10-29-2012, 09:10 PM
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This issue of an "unholy" marriage between church and state is a farce.

I believe that Preachers have an obligation to speak on all matters, although I wouldn't want to hear my Pastor stump for *any* politician.

I find it funny that government - and I use that label as an all inclusive label/umbrella - in other words, both Democrats and Republicans - will talk about "church meddling," etc., yet, in the vestibule of most any church, will there be "voter guides."

I wonder who funds, creates, and publishes these "voter guides"...

The whole issue of tax exempt status is nonsense anyway. Most people don't give enough to match, or exceed, the standard 10k income tax deduction.

It might sound harsh, but the Church should simply put up, or shut up.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:02 PM
 
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. . .

A. I believe that Preachers have an obligation to speak on all matters, although I wouldn't want to hear my Pastor stump for *any* politician.

. . .

B. The whole issue of tax exempt status is nonsense anyway. Most people don't give enough to match, or exceed, the standard 10k income tax deduction.
A. That's fine. if the church wants to become political, it should pay taxes. Not promoting a political candidate is part of the agreement to be tax-exempt.

B. Tax-exempt means more than that. You're just thinking about the people who make the contributions. Tax-exempt doesn't just mean you get a deduction for donating to it. It means the church does not have to pay taxes on most of its income.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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More than 1000 preachers defied the law on "Pulpit Freedom Sunday" (good Google search term).

Religious Leaders Defy the IRS and Endorse Political Candidates on Pulpit Freedom Sunday | Video | TheBlaze.com
"Pulpit Freedom Sunday" should be accompanied by "Churches Now Pay Taxes." No one is trying to silence the pastors or the churches, but they should not be tax-exempt if they want to do this. By being tax-exempt they are agreeing to follow certain rules - and now they are breaking them.

And when people complain, they'll say they're being persecuted.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:16 PM
 
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"Pulpit Freedom Sunday" should be accompanied by "Churches Now Pay Taxes." No one is trying to silence the pastors or the churches, but they should not be tax-exempt if they want to do this. By being tax-exempt they are agreeing to follow certain rules - and now they are breaking them.

Why? Because there's a law or because there's some other moral code at work here? I don't see it. "Politics" as you mention in your previous post is a form of speech and that's protected even if by a church. Some churches are baiting the IRS. The IRS isn't biting.

Taxing churches means the government exercises control over a religious body. That's far far scarier than freedom of speech.
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