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Old 10-29-2012, 10:23 PM
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A. That's fine. if the church wants to become political, it should pay taxes. Not promoting a political candidate is part of the agreement to be tax-exempt
I'm not suggesting that the church become political, but it's the Pastor's responsibility to articulate the values exposited in the Bible.

If, for example, the Bible discusses the individuals responsibility to care for the poor, it's the Pastor's responsibility to teach that, and then for the church member to conclude which political candidate supports that ideal.

As far as the church paying taxes, I agree with you; and this is where the church should put up or shut up.

You'll always have the left manipulating things to their advantage, and the right manipulating things to their advantage.

Special interest groups, on both sides, have really made a mess of things.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:58 AM
 
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Its no different than a CEO sending out an email saying an Obama victory would put the company in jeopardy.

No one should get bullied, intimidated or preached into voting for a candidate. I wonder what the Mormon churches are preaching/suggesting lol.
It is no different? Are you kidding me! Churches are tax exempt as long as they adhere to the campaigning ban. A CEO is under no such scrutiny. For you to say there is no difference shows your complete lack of knowledge. Would you like to do away with free speech? If the people who work for a company don't like the political leanings of a CEO they are free to work elsewhere. The ban has only been enforced on one Church...and guess who they campaigned against-Bill Clinton. I am sure the Mormon Chuches are following the letter of the Law. Do you think they are endorsing Harry Reid from their pulpits? Oh you forgot he was a Mormon! The IRS has long looked the other way at Black Preachers and their endorsements of Democrat candidates who continually use these churches as revolving doors during the election season.
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:07 AM
 
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Actually the Government is deathly afraid of the Pulpit. In the years leading up to the American Revolution the Pastors of the time were calling for freedom from England for years. This period was called the Great Awakening. Many pastors actually were in charge of local militias and led the fight against England in towns all across the colonies. Todays politicians would be in major trouble if Pastors, Preachers and Priests and Rabbis started alerting the public to the differences between what is preached at the pulpit and what is going on in Washington. Their could be a second Revolution!
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:23 AM
 
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The NAACP, who had previously condemned Franklin Graham for questioning Obama's religion, yesterday accused Billy Graham of indirectly endorsing Mitt Romney.
“The political endorsement was particularly ironic since the non-profit you preside over, has until a couple of weeks ago, questioned whether Mormonism is even a part of the christian faith," said NAACP President William Barber.
The NAACP also called Billy Graham a hypocrite.



This was during a news conference held right here in Charlotte yesterday.


NAACP William Barber Billy Graham NC political ads hypocritical - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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The NAACP, who had previously condemned Franklin Graham for questioning Obama's religion, yesterday accused Billy Graham of indirectly endorsing Mitt Romney.
“The political endorsement was particularly ironic since the non-profit you preside over, has until a couple of weeks ago, questioned whether Mormonism is even a part of the christian faith," said NAACP President William Barber.
The NAACP also called Billy Graham a hypocrite.



This was during a news conference held right here in Charlotte yesterday.


NAACP William Barber Billy Graham NC political ads hypocritical - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC

You beat me to it. I was getting ready to post this. Make no mistake: this is not Billy's doing. He has always been neutral regarding politics. This is Franklin's doing.

The fact that his "arm" of the ministry does so much good for Americans & people abroad during disasters will probably only get him a slap on the wrist for his outspoken words.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:06 AM
 
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Billy Graham is a 94 year old man. I think he gets to say what he wants at that stage of life. I was more interested in the NAACP's response as they are silent about the reverse situation. I'm thinking they should be careful when tossing out words like hypocrite.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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[quote=frewroad;26725090]The NAACP, who had previously condemned Franklin Graham for questioning Obama's religion, yesterday accused Billy Graham of indirectly endo

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Old 10-30-2012, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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It is no different? Are you kidding me! Churches are tax exempt as long as they adhere to the campaigning ban. A CEO is under no such scrutiny. For you to say there is no difference shows your complete lack of knowledge. Would you like to do away with free speech? If the people who work for a company don't like the political leanings of a CEO they are free to work elsewhere. The ban has only been enforced on one Church...and guess who they campaigned against-Bill Clinton. I am sure the Mormon Chuches are following the letter of the Law. Do you think they are endorsing Harry Reid from their pulpits? Oh you forgot he was a Mormon! The IRS has long looked the other way at Black Preachers and their endorsements of Democrat candidates who continually use these churches as revolving doors during the election season.
Are YOU kidding me!!! How many times has the IRS enforced this law?

Now that we got that out of the way... yes, it's no different then a CEO intimidating his employees with layoffs if the other guy wins.

Preachers and CEO's can tell you who to vote for... what the consequences are... but they can't force your hand once you are get in the booth to vote.

..and I know, churches are tax exempt, blah, blah, blah... I posted a link where 33 pastors videotaped it and sent it to the IRS and they were Romney supporters.

and who gives a crap about Harry Reid
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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I guess things are quiet in the hood. No need for the NAACP to get involved in crime, partent/student school paticipation, drug problems, gangs or illigitimacy. Well, I suppose that this complaint not quite a s lame as their usual ridiculousness concerning theconfederate flag and slow service to black customers. I guess they need a cause to keep the money flowing in.
and they bussed in reps from SC and used our tax dollars to do it.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:55 AM
 
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Actually, when a Pastor supports a candidate from the pulpit they are no longer considered a tax exempt religious organization. This is something happening on both sides of the fence and I have no issue with both losing their exemption. It needs to happen more often, far too many churches have moved out of the God business into general life and should pay taxes accordingly.... I include the Mormon land grab in that too.
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