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Old 10-30-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Originally Posted by Feltdesigner View Post
LOL... this is hilarious... your credibility is shot Ani...

I can't believe you have the nerve to speak for all Libertarians and Conservatives... everyone breaks the rules and to suggest otherwise is hypocrisy at it's finest.
You know what. Having you mock and disparage me is simply proof of what I said.

Everyone does NOT break the rules. I wasn't trying to speak for ANYONE BUT MYSELF. I plainly stated that this is what I have noticed. Since when do I have to back up an opinion with a sociological survey of 95% of the population? Of course i was speaking in generalities! Most people are, in actuality and in practice and regardless of their political affiliation - moderates.

People who think it is part of SOCIAL JUSTICE for them to break whatever rule is convenient for them to break - they, of course, can't conceive that there are those of us who actually do try to live according to principle and follow the regs, laws and statutes that govern us in both our personal lives and professional lives.

You don't cherry pick which laws to obey. You don't use social justice as a justification for breaking those laws, either.

So now you tell me which groups get to keep their not for profit charters, their medicare license and their tax exemptions, based on your "gosh, everyone is doing it" loopholes.

Talk about hypocrisy. Let's see who screams the loudest when their favorite not for profit loses its status b/c someone on the board or in a leadership role decided it really doesn't matter what the IRS thinks about how they are conducting business.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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You know what. Having you mock and disparage me is simply proof of what I said.

Everyone does NOT break the rules. I wasn't trying to speak for ANYONE BUT MYSELF. I plainly stated that this is what I have noticed. Since when do I have to back up an opinion with a sociological survey of 95% of the population?

People who think it is part of SOCIAL JUSTICE for them to break whatever rule is convenient for them to break - they, of course, can't conceive that there are those of us who actually do try to live according to principle and follow the regs, laws and statutes that govern us in both our personal lives and professional lives.

You don't cherry pick which laws to obey. You don't use social justice as a justification for breaking those laws, either.

So now you tell me which groups get to keep their not for profit charters, their medicare license and their tax exemptions, based on your "gosh, everyone is doing it" loopholes.

Talk about hypocrisy. Let's see who screams the loudest when their favorite not for profit loses its status b/c someone on the board or in a leadership role decided it really doesn't matter what the IRS thinks about how they are conducting business.
You said Libertarians and Conservatives follow the rules while Liberals break them. Stop making sweeping generalizations and flat out lies and then getting upset when someone call you on it.

If the IRS was proactive then I would see your point but the IRS ain't doing jack about these churches... whether liberal, libertarian or conservative... ooops I forgot, the groups you side with are angels riding in chariots led by unicorns who poop skittles.

It's not about social justice... it's not about cherry picking the laws. The IRS isn't enforcing it so both sides are taking advantage of the situation. Have you written those letters you claimed you would write if you found "the other side" aka Romney supporters doing it?

Please tune the violin if you are going to play it...
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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You said Libertarians and Conservatives follow the rules while Liberals break them. Stop making sweeping generalizations and flat out lies and then getting upset when someone call you on it.

If the IRS was proactive then I would see your point but the IRS ain't doing jack about these churches... whether liberal, libertarian or conservative... ooops I forgot, the groups you side with are angels riding in chariots led by unicorns who poop skittles.

It's not about social justice... it's not about cherry picking the laws. The IRS isn't enforcing it so both sides are taking advantage of the situation. Have you written those letters you claimed you would write if you found "the other side" aka Romney supporters doing it?

Please tune the violin if you are going to play it...
I think we have all become aware that you don't see a problem with any of this so I don't see any reason to continue wasting my time on discourse with you on this subject.

I have plainly stated my position over and over. And I am fully aware of yours.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Union County
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There are no true "liberals" left in politics - especially considering the extreme side of the right these days - there is nobody nearly as far left as we have in office on the far right these days. To think a centrist is a liberal because they are Democratic is ludicrous. Almost as laughable as the Tea party supporting centrist Romney - who more than any other candidate in my memory will say anything at any time just to appease the millisecond attention span audience watching him in that moment. Yet, that's OK and the phantom liberals are lying - what a sad state of our electorate.

As for churches taking the high road and not overtly supporting a candidate - please... religious organizations are neck deep in politics and the laws that govern us. They look to dictate beliefs into legislation and lobby as hard as any affiliation or PAC. So to give the Catholics or Mormons a pass on this subject is insane. History is very clear on "the church" and government - they don't sit idly by and pray to their God - they use their numbers to flex political muscle. Any candidate will throw on a yamaka and pledge allegiance to Israel during the FL swing... I mean really people... seriously.

Lastly, our government doesn't have the manpower or balls to follow through against any church for their violations against tax exempt status. We should push to appoint a bi-partisan committee to prove what it is we all know is happening. Maybe add a new branch to the DOJ or something under Homeland Security. Which would be the perfect icing on the cake for this subject... something that is as important as the new sudden rash on voting suppression laws. Sure you can easily make a case that either makes sense - pastors shouldn't speak of candidates from the pulpit and requiring photo ID to vote is logical. Yet, where are these "issues" in the big picture? Why aren't we going after the big problems, picking on these little things, and bickering over nonsense? Just more distraction for a full blown plutocracy and we bite so quickly... people should get SUCKER inked across their foreheads.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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LOL... this is hilarious... your credibility is shot Ani...

I can't believe you have the nerve to speak for all Libertarians and Conservatives... everyone breaks the rules and to suggest otherwise is hypocrisy at it's finest.
Making an observation isn't "speaking for" a group and doesn't ruin someone's credibility. Perhaps your observations have been different?

(When I read Ani's post, I thought, "Yeah, that fits with what I've seen, too.")
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Greer
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I don't see the big controversy. Yank their tax exempt status (It's obvious they don't want it) and let's move on.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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There are no true "liberals" left in politics - especially considering the extreme side of the right these days - there is nobody nearly as far left as we have in office on the far right these days. To think a centrist is a liberal because they are Democratic is ludicrous. Almost as laughable as the Tea party supporting centrist Romney - who more than any other candidate in my memory will say anything at any time just to appease the millisecond attention span audience watching him in that moment. Yet, that's OK and the phantom liberals are lying - what a sad state of our electorate.

As for churches taking the high road and not overtly supporting a candidate - please... religious organizations are neck deep in politics and the laws that govern us. They look to dictate beliefs into legislation and lobby as hard as any affiliation or PAC. So to give the Catholics or Mormons a pass on this subject is insane. History is very clear on "the church" and government - they don't sit idly by and pray to their God - they use their numbers to flex political muscle. Any candidate will throw on a yamaka and pledge allegiance to Israel during the FL swing... I mean really people... seriously.

Lastly, our government doesn't have the manpower or balls to follow through against any church for their violations against tax exempt status. We should push to appoint a bi-partisan committee to prove what it is we all know is happening. Maybe add a new branch to the DOJ or something under Homeland Security. Which would be the perfect icing on the cake for this subject... something that is as important as the new sudden rash on voting suppression laws. Sure you can easily make a case that either makes sense - pastors shouldn't speak of candidates from the pulpit and requiring photo ID to vote is logical. Yet, where are these "issues" in the big picture? Why aren't we going after the big problems, picking on these little things, and bickering over nonsense? Just more distraction for a full blown plutocracy and we bite so quickly... people should get SUCKER inked across their foreheads.
And you point is??
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Making an observation isn't "speaking for" a group and doesn't ruin someone's credibility. Perhaps your observations have been different?

(When I read Ani's post, I thought, "Yeah, that fits with what I've seen, too.")
When a person says their side follows the rules and the other side doesn't it isn't an observation... its a lie.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Not always true. At the Catholic church I attend in upstate SC the pastor clearly endorsed Romney a few weeks ago by admonishing the parishoners to vote against the presidential candidate who was pro-choice. No names were mentioned, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out who he was talking about. My wife and I were aghast, as were some others we spoke to in the congregation. We've since started going to the other Catholic church in town.
This should be reported to your Bishop's office, please do this if you haven't already. That priest crossed a line for sure.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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I don't see the big controversy. Yank their tax exempt status (It's obvious they don't want it) and let's move on.
The problem is, it's not being yanked so more and more pastors in certain churches are pushing this issue to see how much they can get away with.
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