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Old 10-29-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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"pretty sure" you are incorrect. There is nothing illegal about a CEO giving his employees the bottom line.
Explaining to employees the repercussions of the enactment of statutes that will affect a company's bottom line, and which will result in the necessity of laying off employees, is

1. an explanation based on predictable cause and effect and projected cost to implement said statutes;

2. an opinion from an employer, not a minister who is employed by a church having a tax exempt status.

In addition, I don't believe the employer than asked everyone to follow him down to the polling place and go cast their votes under his watchful eye, lol.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Endorsing a candidate from the pulpit of a church with tax exempt status is cause for the church to lose its tax exempt status.

Every minister who does this is putting his church's tax exempt status at risk. Every case should be investigated and every church that allows this to happen should lose its tax exempt status.

And that is really all that there is to say about that.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Endorsing a candidate from the pulpit of a church with tax exempt status is cause for the church to lose its tax exempt status.

Every minister who does this is putting his church's tax exempt status at risk. Every case should be investigated and every church that allows this to happen should lose its tax exempt status.

And that is really all that there is to say about that.
My whole point, thank you!
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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Oh. And I might add . . . sure seems some folks like to scream about "voter intimidation" as long as the supposed "voter intimidation" is from the right to the left.

I guess nothing on the planet ever moves from the left to the right. Must have something to do with what hemisphere we live in, or magnetic north. Kinda like how toilets flush counter clockwise in the lower hemisphere and clockwise in the upper hemisphere.

Just one of life's mysteries.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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"pretty sure" you are incorrect. There is nothing illegal about a CEO giving his employees the bottom line.

A CEO intimidating employees in to whom to vote, is no different than having "groups" at the polling places being loud, obnoxious and intimidating.

One can NOT use the gauge of what is wrong or right on personal choice and emotion. That type of thinking is one of the very things that has gotten us in a world of trouble in this nation.

And based on your posts, a CEO can get away with forcing his view/opinion of a "bottom line" but a Pastor can not. Both sides are sitting behind some form of "tax" status. A church can feed the hungry from the street corner but heaven forbid they put them on the church vans to go vote. How ridiculous.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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A CEO intimidating employees in to whom to vote, is no different than having "groups" at the polling places being loud, obnoxious and intimidating.

One can NOT use the gauge of what is wrong or right on personal choice and emotion. That type of thinking is one of the very things that has gotten us in a world of trouble in this nation.

And based on your posts, a CEO can get away with forcing his view/opinion of a "bottom line" but a Pastor can not. Both sides are sitting behind some form of "tax" status. A church can feed the hungry from the street corner but heaven forbid they put them on the church vans to go vote. How ridiculous.
excellent point... and again, why do politicians meet with religious leaders for their blessing?

It's not about right or left... both sides are doing it and both sides are wrong but in reality we all know it's not anything new.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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Personally, it is a turn off to hear politics at church. I hear enough politics from other sources and would prefer for my pastor to stick the Bible. I cannot teach the bible or tell my kids to go to church etc in my classes without the possibility of losing my job or being reprimanded. If they are not to endorse a candidate then follow the law.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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A CEO intimidating employees in to whom to vote, is no different than having "groups" at the polling places being loud, obnoxious and intimidating.

One can NOT use the gauge of what is wrong or right on personal choice and emotion. That type of thinking is one of the very things that has gotten us in a world of trouble in this nation.

And based on your posts, a CEO can get away with forcing his view/opinion of a "bottom line" but a Pastor can not. Both sides are sitting behind some form of "tax" status. A church can feed the hungry from the street corner but heaven forbid they put them on the church vans to go vote. How ridiculous.
Is there some part about tax exempt status and blatantly endorsing a candidate that needs further explanation?

A church can round up folks and take them to vote.

No problem.

A minister employed by that church cannot state from the pulpit who the congregation "should" vote for. PERIOD.

A CEO damn well better know how laws are going to affect his business and letting employees know the repercussions of an election is not illegal.

Employees can take it for what it is worth - maybe something, maybe nothing - I guess it all depends on whether or not they believe the CEO has studied the financial repercussions and they value his opinion on how those laws are going to affect the business's bottom line.

If the CEO is the head of a tax exempt church, he has a problem. Otherwise, he doesn't. Anyone crying "voter intimidation" is being just plain silly -- no one knows how someone votes once they get into that polling booth.

Violating a church's tax exempt status is entirely a different situation. These are two different issues.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Oh. And I might add . . . sure seems some folks like to scream about "voter intimidation" as long as the supposed "voter intimidation" is from the right to the left.

I guess nothing on the planet ever moves from the left to the right. Must have something to do with what hemisphere we live in, or magnetic north. Kinda like how toilets flush counter clockwise in the lower hemisphere and clockwise in the upper hemisphere.

Just one of life's mysteries.
I love the faux frustration when one side does it... and the "how dare you" when it's suggested that the other side is doing it as well.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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I cant believe bringing this up now, where was thread like this when same thing happen with Amendment One.
I mean really the hypocrisy shines.
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