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Old 01-23-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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Yes and love it! Is it over the top for home protection? Of course. As realist, I understand the gun "ban" isn't going to impact the vast majority of weapons. No matter the ultra-promotion of fear by some, I will not go screaming into the good night about the gubment taking away freedoms and guns. It's absolutely impossible to stop the sale of guns in the US (open or black market)...much like trying the stop the influx if illegal immigrants by putting up a fence along the border. However the gun ban and fence are good natured symbolisms for appeasing some folk no matter how effective or ineffective.

Though there really is some good info in many of the post....good thread.
Why is a semi-auto over the top for home defense?

The fence is one of the dumbest ideas to ever spring from the government idiots. It is beyond comprehensible that it ever got past two people talking to each other, let alone being partially built, which of course is another example of mindless waste.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Why is a semi-auto over the top for home defense?

The fence is one of the dumbest ideas to ever spring from the government idiots. It is beyond comprehensible that it ever got past two people talking to each other, let alone being partially built, which of course is another example of mindless waste.
The semi auto seems over the top to me... if you live on acres I can understand but i think a hand gun or shotgu spray woild work better.
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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Why is a semi-auto over the top for home defense?

The fence is one of the dumbest ideas to ever spring from the government idiots. It is beyond comprehensible that it ever got past two people talking to each other, let alone being partially built, which of course is another example of mindless waste.
I have worked for the government and as a government contractor, both have many intelligent, hard-working and responsible people. The producer to slacker (intelligent to idiot) ratio in the government is equivalent to that of private industry (it really is the same people). So, categorizing the lot as idiots is easy to do since most people ignore or take for granted the GREAT things that government representatives have done and continue to do. Seems people have come to the the conclusion that government employees are aliens and out to undermine the country and constituton. I'm not sure where the disconnect is but i can attest that government employees are human....well, maybe not some of members in the house of representatives. It's tough job and seems easy from the outside looking-in.

Ok, off rant, justifying the primary use of a semi-automatic or automatic weapon for home protection is akin to needing a porsche for a 10 minute work commute. A solid home protection strategy involves a mulitude of measures: (1st) high caliber security system with outdoor light sensors, etc (2) a no holes-barred approach when assessing surrounding and strangers, (3-option) a dog, (4-option) a weapon. If you successfully implement and adhere to (1) and (2), its highly unlikely you'll need 4. Personally, I don't know anyone who has staved off intruders (at home) with a gun, but know people with little reaction time that have accidentally killed/injured relatives/friends (thought to be intruders) and people who have died/injured from gun accidents. I'm sure youz guyz will provide links and other stories about herioc home gun protection successes.

I own a semi-automatic weapon but mostly for sport and not as a primary tool for home protection...hell, a 22 or 12 guage will do just fine. Personally, I prefer the 12-guage.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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The semi auto seems over the top to me... if you live on acres I can understand but i think a hand gun or shotgu spray woild work better.
Handguns that aren't revolvers are semi automatic. Maybe you don't know what that term means. Shotguns are fine for defense. Handguns offer other advantages.
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I have worked for the government and as a government contractor, both have many intelligent, hard-working and responsible people. The producer to slacker (intelligent to idiot) ratio in the government is equivalent to that of private industry (it really is the same people). So, categorizing the lot as idiots is easy to do since most people ignore or take for granted the GREAT things that government representatives have done and continue to do. Seems people have come to the the conclusion that government employees are aliens and out to undermine the country and constituton. I'm not sure where the disconnect is but i can attest that government employees are human....well, maybe not some of members in the house of representatives. It's tough job and seems easy from the outside looking-in.

Ok, off rant, justifying the primary use of a semi-automatic or automatic weapon for home protection is akin to needing a porsche for a 10 minute work commute. A solid home protection strategy involves a mulitude of measures: (1st) high caliber security system with outdoor light sensors, etc (2) a no holes-barred approach when assessing surrounding and strangers, (3-option) a dog, (4-option) a weapon. If you successfully implement and adhere to (1) and (2), its highly unlikely you'll need 4. Personally, I don't know anyone who has staved off intruders (at home) with a gun, but know people with little reaction time that have accidentally killed/injured relatives/friends (thought to be intruders) and people who have died/injured from gun accidents. I'm sure youz guyz will provide links and other stories about herioc home gun protection successes.

I own a semi-automatic weapon but mostly for sport and not as a primary tool for home protection...hell, a 22 or 12 guage will do just fine. Personally, I prefer the 12-guage.
If I have to pull out a gun in my home, I want every advantage a gun can give me. I like knowing I have 15 rounds to use as fast as I can pull the trigger.

I have no doubt that there are many worthwhile hard working people in government service. When Joe Blow Industries does something stupid, they (and possibly their shareholders) are the only losers. But when something as ridiculous as the border wall gets as far as it has, without my choice and[at my expense, I have to shake my head and laugh at the stupidity.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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The semi auto seems over the top to me... if you live on acres I can understand but i think a hand gun or shotgu spray woild work better.
a handgun and a semi automatic aren't mutually exclusive. I think its fabulous that people can have different views, I just wish it involved some primary fact finding.

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I own a semi-automatic weapon but mostly for sport and not as a primary tool for home protection...hell, a 22 or 12 guage will do just fine. Personally, I prefer the 12-guage.
and that's great you are allowed to have a preference. Mine is for a semi automatic. Nobody is preventing you from getting a 12-guage, as nobody should prevent me from my preference of a semi automatic.

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If I have to pull out a gun in my home, I want every advantage a gun can give me. I like knowing I have 15 rounds to use as fast as I can pull the trigger.

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makes perfect sense to me.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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The sheriffs from several large counties in SC have sent a letter to congress saying they simply will not enforce the Obama/Feinstein Gun Ban proposal as it is unconstitutional. I suspect that more states will follow. This is called nullification.

I assume that if Obama wants his gun ban enforced, he will have to send in his own troops. That ought to go over well.

IMO, this is why I think it's all a big dog and pony show. The Supreme Court ruled last year on gun control and IMO they pretty much said anything goes. Unless they are willing to amend the US Constitution, this really isn't going anywhere.

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Old 01-26-2013, 07:31 AM
 
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Handguns that aren't revolvers are semi automatic. Maybe you don't know what that term means. Shotguns are fine for defense. Handguns offer other advantages.


If I have to pull out a gun in my home, I want every advantage a gun can give me. I like knowing I have 15 rounds to use as fast as I can pull the trigger.

I have no doubt that there are many worthwhile hard working people in government service. When Joe Blow Industries does something stupid, they (and possibly their shareholders) are the only losers. But when something as ridiculous as the border wall gets as far as it has, without my choice and[at my expense, I have to shake my head and laugh at the stupidity.
Hopefully you realize many private companies do substantial business with the government (and related agencies) and is a significant portion of their revenue stream. Even big oil (Exxon, etc) and many other companies receive billions of dollars in federal government subsidies and tax breaks. I don't think many people realize this very fact and is the core reason repubs and dems are hesitant about severely cutting federal spending. The federal debt is actually a local/region issue because the trickle down effect of reducing gubment spending impacts a congressional district - all of the reps want to cut some form of fed spending, just not any that impacts jobs/businesses in their district. Yes, the failure or stupidity of many Joe Bloe industries will have direct implications to taxpayers, especially industries like the airlines....if not for the fed gov the only planes available for public flight might be a fleet of dust croppers.

The government representatives are only following the demands and marching orders from their constituents or base. So, most outlandish ideas originate from specific congressional district(s). The gun ban and border fence may seem trivial and nonsensical to some folk but are viewed as meaningful attempts to solve a problem to others. The problem with the gun ban is the inability to statistically validate the effect. Can you measure how many mentally challenged people are denied a semi-automatic weapon because of a gun ban? This is usually where gubment officials err in policy development, although good intentions they allow emotion and passion to override common sense approaches. Though, some of its political posturing on both sides of the issue, pro and con.

Every policy/regulation, etc has a capitalistic hue to it - basically, how do I make money? The gun manufacturers bask in the pseudo threats of posing a gun ban, it's a huge boon and if any of these bans see the light of day, they'll adjust product offerings accordingly. Sometimes I think the representatives initiaiting the gun ban are actually receiving a portion of the revenue from the temporary sale spikes.

Lastly, 15 rounds? The probability of anyone breaking into your house other than a crackhead/meth addicted cousin or relative is extremely low. Unless you've tried to hoodwink the Gambino family, I think a couple of rounds will do the trick...else you stand the chance of blowing your cousin into smithereens.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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It's like everyone stores their AK47 uncased and at their side awaiting someone to break into their home. If this is you, you are living in the wrong place.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Hopefully you realize many private companies do substantial business with the government (and related agencies) and is a significant portion of their revenue stream. Even big oil (Exxon, etc) and many other companies receive billions of dollars in federal government subsidies and tax breaks. I've made that exact point recently, on here, somewhere. I don't think many people realize this very fact and is the core reason repubs and dems are hesitant about severely cutting federal spending. The federal debt is actually a local/region issue because the trickle down effect of reducing gubment spending impacts a congressional district - all of the reps want to cut some form of fed spending, just not any that impacts jobs/businesses in their district. Yes, the failure or stupidity of many Joe Bloe industries will have direct implications to taxpayers, especially industries like the airlines....if not for the fed gov the only planes available for public flight might be a fleet of dust croppers.

The government representatives are only following the demands and marching orders from their constituents or base. Locally, we've seen this not to be true. Coliseum, anyone? I doubt it's any different at the federal level. We could not possibly, as a nation, have decided a big wall was any useful part of the answer to illegal immigration. So, most outlandish ideas originate from specific congressional district(s). The gun ban and border fence may seem trivial and nonsensical to some folk but are viewed as meaningful attempts to solve a problem to others. The problem with the gun ban is the inability to statistically validate the effect. Can you measure how many mentally challenged people are denied a semi-automatic weapon because of a gun ban? This is usually where gubment officials err in policy development, although good intentions they allow emotion and passion to override common sense approaches. Though, some of its political posturing on both sides of the issue, pro and con.

Every policy/regulation, etc has a capitalistic hue to it - basically, how do I make money? The gun manufacturers bask in the pseudo threats of posing a gun ban, it's a huge boon and if any of these bans see the light of day, they'll adjust product offerings accordingly. Sometimes I think the representatives initiaiting the gun ban are actually receiving a portion of the revenue from the temporary sale spikes. All of which illustrates a big problem, and negates your earlier point of reps responding to their constituents.

Lastly, 15 rounds? The probability of anyone breaking into your house other than a crackhead/meth addicted cousin or relative is extremely low. Unless you've tried to hoodwink the Gambino family, I think a couple of rounds will do the trick...else you stand the chance of blowing your cousin into smithereens. Regardless of who breaks in (or puts me in any other situation where I need to defend myself), I want as many opportunities as possible to protect myself.
A couple of rounds is great if you're shooting at paper on a range. In the middle of the night, after being suddenly awakened by a loud noise, I'm probably not as accurate. Been there, done that. We can't all be professionally trained weapons experts. How many videos have we seen of cops shooting a dozen rounds and missing everything?

Limiting me to 7 rounds does not in any way address what a criminal will do. Criminals don't care about laws, remember?
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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A couple of rounds is great if you're shooting at paper on a range. In the middle of the night, after being suddenly awakened by a loud noise, I'm probably not as accurate. Been there, done that. We can't all be professionally trained weapons experts. How many videos have we seen of cops shooting a dozen rounds and missing everything?

Limiting me to 7 rounds does not in any way address what a criminal will do. Criminals don't care about laws, remember?
Been there, done what? Took pop shot at a crack/meth relative? Why stop at 15?...sounds like you need a 50 cal or maybe a grenade/rpg. Put it to rest man, if there are 2 or 3 armed criminals in your house, the best thing for you to do is to the get the hell outof there and let have them have whatever they want. John McClain and James Bond are fictional characters.

Sounds like too many goodfellas and casino scenes. Nonetheless, you don't have worry about anything, the gubmet ain't gonna take your guns, too much money to be made.
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