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Old 02-19-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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Sounds rather confining to me.

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Surely, there must be people in the area, who enjoy the wonderful freedom of living a car-free life, and are willing to share some of their secrets.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Sounds rather confining to me.
Especially in the South. Living without a car is possible but I'm not sure why the OP thinks it's freedom.

I lived most of my life without a car and it didn't feel like freedom. Waiting on a bus/train, in cold or hot weather, during off peak hours? Not free... getting invited to events off the transit line? Not free...

I prefer having a car with the option to use transit or a bike.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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Especially in the South. Living without a car is possible but I'm not sure why the OP thinks it's freedom.

I lived most of my life without a car and it didn't feel like freedom. Waiting on a bus/train, in cold or hot weather, during off peak hours? Not free... getting invited to events off the transit line? Not free...

I prefer having a car with the option to use transit or a bike.
+ Freedom from the expense of buying, running, and repairing a car
+ Freedom from Parking headaches
+ Freedom from the hassle of sitting in traffic jams
+ Less risk of a car accident
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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...I saw this even in Tokyo which has, by far, the most modern and comprehensive train system in the world. 90% of the people there commute on trains.
That's debatable.

Hong Kong and Singapore rate very highly - though they are mere City-states, rather than proper countries.

The UK, where I once lived, has an extensive train system, as do European countries like France and Belgium
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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That's debatable.
It's not up for debate. You posted a map of HK's transit system above. Compare it to the consolidated map of the Tokyo system. HK would easily be swallowed up by it. Tokyo has 3 subway systems as large as HK, it has the even larger very extensive JR system, there are monorails, automated people movers, express point to point trains, special liners, there are even numerous private railway lines. I've been to Europe too and even they will pale compared to this.

Yet despite this, the Japanese own cars, lots of cars.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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I think the HK system may reach a higher percentage of its population.

Why are you always so disagreeable? (I have been warned)
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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+ Freedom from the expense of buying, running, and repairing a car
+ Freedom from Parking headaches
+ Freedom from the hassle of sitting in traffic jams
+ Less risk of a car accident
One could also make the argument for owning an automobile:
+ Freedom from having to purchase transit tickets/passes.
+ Freedom from being forced to train schedule
+ Freedom to travel to places where transit doesn't go
+ Freedom from the hassle of waiting on trains, dealing with crowds, dealing with weather
+ Freedom from worrying about crime on trains.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Why are you always so disagreeable? (I have been warned)
What is wrong with disagreeing with incorrect statements?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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+ Freedom from the expense of buying, running, and repairing a car
+ Freedom from Parking headaches
+ Freedom from the hassle of sitting in traffic jams
+ Less risk of a car accident
I bought used and it's already paid off.

The only time I have parking issues is in Uptown on game day.

traffic jams are rare in my part of town. Traffic slows down during rush hour but it's never a grinding halt unless I take 77N out of town on a Friday.

One could use the accident fear tactic as an excuse for never leaving the house.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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One could also make the argument for owning an automobile:
+ Freedom from having to purchase transit tickets/passes.
+ Freedom from being forced to train schedule
+ Freedom to travel to places where transit doesn't go
+ Freedom from the hassle of waiting on trains, dealing with crowds, dealing with weather
+ Freedom from worrying about crime on trains.
Sure. Once can choose one's headaches.
But the more extensive the public transport, the fewer the headaches of being carfree.
And the more parking there is, and the more extensive the road system, the fewer problems with car-dependency. America has traditionally worked hard to reduced car owners headaches, but many remain.

For instance: Most car owners are stuck with a big exposure to rising oil prices - and that's one headache that I am keen to avoid. There are others: traffic jams, car maintenance etc. That will not go away, and are not easily avoided.

We have now reached a point in America's story, that car owner's headaches may no longer get the attention they once had. Many cities are beginning to realise that quality of life will improve if Car owners are put last, rather than first.
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