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Old 06-20-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Article in today's Charlotte Observer. This story also appeared in today's Charlotte Business Journal. If CLT ceased to function as a hub and the majority of my flights started to include connections, I would not be a happy camper.

GAO: Charlotte hub not guaranteed in airline merger | CharlotteObserver.com
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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This could hurt CD International's reputation and passenger numbers.

Miami isn't even in the "Southeast" and Charlotte's airport already has more boardings, so obviously Miami isn't a better location.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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I have been listening to these reports, too and we feel the same way, Tober.

Just looking at a map . . . I can't see how this would be a cost savings measure to be routing planes to a MIA hub instead of Charlotte. And to be routed through JFK instead of Philly . . . blah. I avoid JFK when at all possible.

Plus the international flights out of Charlotte.

This is not shaping up to be a very positive situation for Charlotte -- at least, according to the cited report.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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IF CLT no longer used as a hub, certainly hope it does not go on a decline like Greater Pittsburgh did once USAirways no longer used it as a hub. A once beautiful bustling airport, now at times like a "ghost town."
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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IF CLT no longer used as a hub, certainly hope it does not go on a decline like Greater Pittsburgh did once USAirways no longer used it as a hub. A once beautiful bustling airport, now at times like a "ghost town."
yep... it's one of the reasons there are so many transplants from Pittsburgh.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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The whole point of the merger is to save money by consolidating operations. Regardless of what Smith says, I believe the combined airline will have to close 2 and possibly 3 hubs before it's all said and done. They don't need nine hubs.

Will it be Charlotte? I don't know but Raleigh, Nashville & Memphis have all lost their hubs due to these mergers. It seems that airlines don't really care to have hubs in locations with relatively small O&D traffic in comparison to hub traffic. CLT ranks badly in this regard. If it comes down to a contest between Miami & CLT, then CLT loses.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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“the real difference is that miami is a very, very expensive airport (in terms of the fees airlines pay for services),” mann said. “charlotte is the polar opposite.

Read more here: GAO: Charlotte hub not guaranteed in airline merger | CharlotteObserver.com
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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The whole point of the merger is to save money by consolidating operations. Regardless of what Smith says, I believe the combined airline will have to close 2 and possibly 3 hubs before it's all said and done. They don't need nine hubs.

Will it be Charlotte? I don't know but Raleigh, Nashville & Memphis have all lost their hubs due to these mergers. It seems that airlines don't really care to have hubs in locations with relatively small O&D traffic in comparison to hub traffic. CLT ranks badly in this regard. If it comes down to a contest between Miami & CLT, then CLT loses.
Miami has larger Q&D, but Charlotte has more hub traffic and passengers.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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I would think that CLT is also less expensive than either PHL or JFK. It is also a lot less crowded than either of those airports (or MIA) - I have been delayed countless times going in and out of PHL and JFK, a lot more so than I ever was going out of CLT, both since living here and when I lived in Baltimore and flew through CLT on US Scare. While I can see possibly cutting out some redundant routes from CLT, I really cannot see them pulling routes and shuttling them through JFK or PHL instead, as both of those airports are already so congested.

From everything I have read as this has been going on, my gut feeling is that CLT makes more sense than MIA as a hub for European flights, as well as domestic connections, due to MIA being so far south and east. But I won't be surprised if we lose direct flights to destinations in the Caribbean, and instead have to connect through MIA for those. I hope I'm wrong - I will miss those direct flights to Aruba

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IF CLT no longer used as a hub, certainly hope it does not go on a decline like Greater Pittsburgh did once USAirways no longer used it as a hub. A once beautiful bustling airport, now at times like a "ghost town."
I remember when US pulled out of there, which was not that long after they remodelled the entire airport.

I don't see CLT turning into a ghost town like PIT. If anything, I can see SWA being eager to scoop up gate space here if the "new AA" pulls out. It is obvious that SWA wants to move into the international market - a main reason for their purchase of AirTran was to absorb their routes to Mexico and the Caribbean and take their first steps flying outside of the U.S. CLT would make a buch better gateway to Europe for SWA than HOU.

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Old 06-20-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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I would think that CLT is also less expensive than either PHL or JFK. It is also a lot less crowded than either of those airports (or MIA) - I have been delayed countless times going in and out of PHL and JFK, a lot more so than I ever was going out of CLT, both since living here and when I lived in Baltimore and flew through CLT on US Scare. While I can see possibly cutting out some redundant routes from CLT, I really cannot see them pulling routes and shuttling them through JFK or PHL instead, as both of those airports are already so congested.

From everything I have read as this has been going on, my gut feeling is that CLT makes more sense than MIA as a hub for European flights, as well as domestic connections, due to MIA being so far south and east. But I won't be surprised if we lose direct flights to destinations in the Caribbean, and instead have to connect through MIA for those. I hope I'm wrong - I will miss those direct flights to Aruba



I remember when US pulled out of there, which was not that long after they remodelled the entire airport.

I don't see CLT turning into a ghost town like PIT. If anything, I can see SWA being eager to scoop up gate space here if the "new AA" pulls out. It is obvious that SWA wants to move into the international market - a main reason for their purchase of AirTran was to absorb their routes to Mexico and the Caribbean and take their first steps flying outside of the U.S. CLT would make a buch better gateway to Europe for SWA than HOU.

These are indeed 2 important points to keep in mind. CLT is one of the least expensive airports to operate flights from and it has better capacity and less congestion. USA is also very concerned about on time performance. Moving flights to Miami and JFK wouldn't help that.

Two other things to consider - 1) USA already has the run of the airport. They are the 800 lb gorilla in CLT and may not want to give a hub that they basically control - alone. 2) We've got a friend heading up the cabinet department that oversees this very area of business.
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