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Old 09-15-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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3 cops, 1 guy. Unarmed. They could have easily taken him down without shooting. Of course the police will use the 'charge' word to make it sound as threatening as possible but there was no weapon. You don't shoot unarmed people. Period. Voluntary manslaughter fits the bill.
Why are they charging him? Do they have tape/audio?
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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1. Unarmed. Who knew?

2. They did try to take him down with a Taser, did not work.

The same people who charged the officer are the same ones who said the man "charged at the officers" and that the man was "banging VICIOUSLY at the callers door"...and that the man continued to remain on the property even after the caller hit her panic button and called 911.
Panicked and disoriented man . Robbers don't bang on doors. That's not breaking and entering. The police and dispatchers should have been able to figure out there was more to the story than this panicked woman's call.

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For the last time, what did the officers on scene know AT THAT TIME....

1. 230am (darkness).

2. Man trying to break into the house.

3. Man matching the description is charging at officers, officers deploy Taser, Taser ineffective.

Do you suggest police wait until a suspect is on top of them and pulls a knife or gun or swings at an officer and knocks them out before they defend themselves??
That's just it. All two of three of those things were incorrect, and the police didn't take time to figure out what was really going on before shooting.

Officers are paid to work in the darkness. The laws of excessive force don't become null and void after dark.
The man was not trying to break into the house. Only knocking on the door.

Yes, police need to be in imminent danger before discharging their weapon. With three officers having the guy surrounded, they could have easily tackled him. We can play the game of what they didn't know, but that just justifies any cop who wants to shoot anybody for pretty much any reason. That's a police state. Again, only one cop fired. The other two did not think this was necessary. I understand how a trigger-happy cop might go off the handle in that situation, but that's just it. We don't need guys like that on the force. You don't shoot unarmed people. Period. Ever. "He could have had a gun" is not a legitimate excuse. The guy should do a couple of years and never be allowed to carry a gun again.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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You're correct. The police will always use words like "charge" to justify their actions. If those cops had been civilians, they'd probably all be charged with 1st Degree Murder! Only cops can legally get away with murder. There was no justification, NONE, for killing that man! The police are trained in self defense, but its so much easier to just shoot somebody.

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3 cops, 1 guy. Unarmed. They could have easily taken him down without shooting. Of course the police will use the 'charge' word to make it sound as threatening as possible but there was no weapon. You don't shoot unarmed people. Period. Voluntary manslaughter fits the bill.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman Area
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How were the police supposed to have time to figure anything out? If they arrive on scene and get out of their cars and see the suspect charging at them, what time do they have?

The police only knew what they are told by a dispatcher....."man trying to break into a house....". Whether or not he was trying to break into the house, NO ONE KNEW AT THE TIME !! Read my post "officer must make split second decisions in rapidly evolving situations".

What they do know is, this man they have been told was trying to break into a house is charging at them.

So the man gets 100 % benefit of the doubt and the officer none? Why would a man who means no harm charge at an officer with his weapon drawn being told to stop?

I think it is absolutely crazy to think you believe the officers should have allowed the man to actually be on top of them before they defended themselves.

If you are on a street at night and a man (former football player size) is charging at you and you tell him to stop, would you defend yourself?

Bottom line is this: Did the officer reasonably believe that his life was in danger and/or that he was faced with the possibility of serious bodily harm? Only the officer can answer that.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Officers are paid to work in the darkness. The laws of excessive force don't become null and void after dark.
The man was not trying to break into the house. Only knocking on the door.

Yes Officers are paid to work after dark but it doesn't give them some super eyesight to see better in the dark. Can anyone honestly believe an officer gets up to go to work with the thought that "today I think I will shoot someone". He may have panicked, he may have thought he saw something in the darkness , but obviously why would any reasonable person run at Officers with their weapons drawn after being told to stop and even tazed? On the other hand, all officers should be trained on deadly force situations as they are found so these type of incidents occur less. In other words, training officers should look at incidents nationwide and apply those situations to training excercises that actually occurred, instead of punching holes in paper targets for scoring purposes which happens in most PD'S across the nation.
Its always easier to critique a situation in the light of day with all the time in the world to look at every detail. Imagine making these decisions in a fraction of a second without the benefit of all the details.. I was an Officer for 28 years and I can say you never have full facts of a situation on an emergency call and no two calls are alike.
Now in the comfort of your quiet living room, tell me how wrong I am...
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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CMPD needs to turn this whole mess over to the SBI and not use their internal ops to make the case. It does distress me that some folks are already dropping the race card. Yes, the cop is white and the victim is a man of color. The victim was hurt. He was pumped with adrenalin. He obviously did not understand the officers. He thought they were going to help him. Everything bad thing that happens where whites and blacks are involved is not always about race. This attitude is one of the reasons we have so much angst when it comes to people respecting each other. Yes, there will be bigots of all colors and the rest of us need to remember that ALL of us were created equal, whether white, black, brown, of of mixed race. People need to chill and let the racists and bigots continue their rants and hate.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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I understand this guy was a very big and strong football player. After a taser didn't stop him I feel the cops felt threatened .Jumping on him like a fumble pileup in a football game would have evened things up in his favor and then the possibility of him getting one of their guns would be real...There may have been 3 policemen but if one of them was closer than the other 2 by just a few yards all he had to do was overpower just one of them and then the shooting would begin...When the police says stop you best stop.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: NC
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This happens more than you think...

This cop shot a man who had been in an accident and was badly burned.

The Largest Street Gang in America ~ 3/6 - YouTube

Ohh also I love how apologists come in here sticking up for this. The man wasn't a threat and didn't have a weapon.

The quality of our police has declined steadily in the last 20 years in this country. Every few days you hear stories of cops shooting family dogs out of "fear".
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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There's pieces of this story that are missing. It doesn't make sense. However there will be no way to truly understand what happened that night since the person who could give the other side of it is dead.

Manslaughter looks to be the right charge in this case - the cops own dept corroborates that.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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However there will be no way to truly understand what happened that night
Not according to the comments that some posters have made in this thread. They make it sound like they were sitting right there eating popcorn & watching the whole thing unfold.

“The guy was running toward them for help”.
“The man was obviously disoriented from the severe crash”
Panicked and disoriented man”


Good grief
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