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Old 01-24-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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They laid out options and costs yes. But saying that redistricting costs $0 is not accurate. If that's the case, where is all the extra money going to come from to bus so many kids so much farther? Diesel isn't free.
Agreed. They'd have to look at the incremental cost for the fuel. Probably using some standard cost per mile that encompasses fuel and maintenance, etc.

If any is doing these types of calculations, make sure you are looking at the incremental miles, not the total trip. If a subdivision had a 4 mile route and now has a 10 mile route, the cost needs to be derived from the extra 6 miles.

I don't know how many busses it impacts, though. For large neighborhoods, they could take the total # of students (per ES, MS and HS, not one grand total) divided by bus capacity (40???) to estimate the number of busses, then times the extra mileage. For smaller areas, probably group a few close ones together to fill up a bus and do the same.

 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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Mikeykid nailed it. New schools have to happen but WILL NOT until every other non-recurring cost option has be tried.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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They laid out options and costs yes. But saying that redistricting costs $0 is not accurate. If that's the case, where is all the extra money going to come from to bus so many kids so much farther? Diesel isn't free.

And as far as year round/multi track....my oldest was on a year round schedule when he was in elementary school. The schools had no problem keeping siblings on the same schedule so it's not a horrendous burden.

Just putting those out there.
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. They took us as fools last night... every option with approximate costs and yet when it came to the option of redistricting- nothing- no cost to taxpayers they said.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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Another cost for redistricting that is not listed is teachers. We were told that redistricting would not impact the classes a child can take. So if Weddington offers AP or Honors classes that Sun Valley does not, don't they now need to hire another teacher so that classes can be taught at both schools? And that means adding another classroom to that school as well in order to house that class.

Just thinking out loud here.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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Technically it would be the same price +- for the bus diesel. Yes routes for some kids would be farther, but for others it would be shorter. In the end its the same mileage ran on the buses. Just different routes.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:44 AM
 
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No, no.. No, no...

No conspiracy. No taking any one as fools.

Either you don't get the transportation cost issue, how schools are funded or all of you aren't reading...

West nailed it.

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Transportation is state funded. UCPS will take a hit if the busses are inefficient. It does not appear that efficiency is determined by total distance but rather utilization of the buses.
Motivation to make me look up the damn funding formula.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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Another cost for redistricting that is not listed is teachers. We were told that redistricting would not impact the classes a child can take. So if Weddington offers AP or Honors classes that Sun Valley does not, don't they now need to hire another teacher so that classes can be taught at both schools? And that means adding another classroom to that school as well in order to house that class.

Just thinking out loud here.
Why couldn't a teacher at Sun Valley teach the AP course? I really don't see some huge influx of new teachers needed to teach an AP course. They'll change one of the teacher's regular classes to an AP class. Sorry, this argument has no teeth.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Why couldn't a teacher at Sun Valley teach the AP course? I really don't see some huge influx of new teachers needed to teach an AP course. They'll change one of the teacher's regular classes to an AP class. Sorry, this argument has no teeth.
And add the kids who were in that regular class to where? Another class that already has 30 kids in it?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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Another cost for redistricting that is not listed is teachers. We were told that redistricting would not impact the classes a child can take. So if Weddington offers AP or Honors classes that Sun Valley does not, don't they now need to hire another teacher so that classes can be taught at both schools? And that means adding another classroom to that school as well in order to house that class.

Just thinking out loud here.
Teachers will move, too. Same number of students, therefore the teachers need to move accordingly to balance out the aggregate student/teacher ratios.

Edit to add:

And per the question about moving regular student to accommodate, that's not how it works. Let's assume a 25 class ratio for simplicity. If there are 50 kids that want to take AP and 150 taking regular, they'd need 2 class blocks for AP and 6 blocks for regular. The AP wouldn't have one classroom only used twice a day. They repurpose classrooms and teachers to handle multiple class types.

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Old 01-24-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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My son takes an AP calc course long distance with kids from another school. Oh the wonders of broadband...
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