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Old 02-20-2014, 06:38 AM
 
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exactly which is a HUGE concern for those of us without the appropriate room we need
It seems that if you have near 100% taking the GF route you have effectively shifted the overcrowding burden to those that orginally were not affected by the redrawn lines. The folks who are now "stuck" in overcrowded schools because they stay in the cluster. Correct?

 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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Help me with this please (and the following contain NO TIME CODES!)...they are talking about "Grandfathering"(GF'ing if you will) all the kids at their current schools...and we may argue cluster as well. At the same time there will be new lines drawn for the districts/clusters.
The GF'ing will only apply to sitting students..right? So am i correct in assuming that if I wanted to buy a home in a 'hood that has been redistricted, my kids would be required to attend a different high/middle/elem (perhaps) school than some of the kids in the neighborhood (the ones that have chosen to take the GF'ing)? Talk about Hunger Games....
Yes. But I think people make too much of a deal out of that. Think about how many in your neighborhood already attend different schools. I know in my small neighborhood we have kids that attend SV cluster schools, CATA, UA, both Catholic schools, CMS schools with parent who teaches there, Western Union, other UCPS schools with parents who teach there, and kids who are home schooled. Is adding a different school that different? It doesn't make as much of a difference as people are making it out to be. Kids will still play with the neighborhood kids regardless of what school they go to. And by the time a second person moves into the neighborhood or a third or whatever more and more kids will attend the new school.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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It seems that if you have near 100% taking the GF route you have effectively shifted the overcrowding burden to those that orginally were not affected by the redrawn lines. The folks who are now "stuck" in overcrowded schools because they stay in the cluster. Correct?
Yes, that is correct and wrong, since this was started to stop the overcrowding! But somehow we forgot all that in the process of appeasing the public
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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Yes. But I think people make too much of a deal out of that. Think about how many in your neighborhood already attend different schools. I know in my small neighborhood we have kids that attend SV cluster schools, CATA, UA, both Catholic schools, CMS schools with parent who teaches there, Western Union, other UCPS schools with parents who teach there, and kids who are home schooled. Is adding a different school that different? It doesn't make as much of a difference as people are making it out to be. Kids will still play with the neighborhood kids regardless of what school they go to. And by the time a second person moves into the neighborhood or a third or whatever more and more kids will attend the new school.
Thanks Cato...but wasn't this one of the MAJOR arguments against resdictricting? We were going to "rip neighborhoods apart"?
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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Thanks Cato...but wasn't this one of the MAJOR arguments against resdictricting? We were going to "rip neighborhoods apart"?
Actually the argument is "ripping apart neighborhood schools" not actually the neighborhoods since the actual neighborhood would all go to the new school under the current redistricting.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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Good morning. I am new to posting on here, but have continued to follow this thread from the beginning when I was searching for information regarding the re-districting. There is a parent in my daughter's class that is prettyinvolved with all of this. She sent out an email to some parents regarding aconversation she had with Frank Aikmus. Not sure if it is relevant or anythingnew, but thought I would share.

"For thoseof you who have not heard, last night the BOE turned down the $3M offer fromthe BOCC because they believed it was tied to the $91M judgment. I was upset by this news, so I emailed the BOCC this morning asking for an explanation andrequesting that they offer the funds without any strings attached. Afterreceiving my email, Mr. Frank Aikmus, the Chairman, reached out to me by phone and had a very candid conversation. According to him, the BOE did not reach outto the BOCC until approximately 4:07 pm last night to discuss the $3M offer. The attorneys for both sides spoke, but somehow the BOE's attorney did not understand the terms. The only "condition" ofthe offer was that the funds had to be used for MCRs. The BOCC's goal was to useit for MCRs to stop the redistricting and give us time to come up with long term planning. Mr. Aikmus stated that the money was in no way tied to the judgment. Later that evening(during the BOE open session) he received an email from an angry parent asking why they (the BOCC) would lie to us. He didn't know what was going on and immediately started to investigate. Shortly after 7:00 there were multiple correspondences (texts, emails, calls) that began between the BOCC andBOE. He tried to make it clear that the money was not coming from the judgment.He wanted the BOE to take another vote on the money, but that didn't occur last night. He's trying to get the BOE to meet with the BOCC, but to no avail.
I think thisredistricting issue can be resolved, but we have to find a way to get the boards to sit down and talk this out. Please reach out to the BOE. We need themto understand the terms, have a revote to accept the funds, and start long term planning. Please spread the word to everyone you can."

Again not sure if this is relevant, but thought I would spread the word. I figured if there a group to spread it to, this would be a good place. Thanks.

Last edited by jddbad; 02-20-2014 at 07:02 AM.. Reason: can't figure this thing out yet....
 
Old 02-20-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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Thanks Cato...but wasn't this one of the MAJOR arguments against resdictricting? We were going to "rip neighborhoods apart"?
I recall a letter from the BOCC offering 3 mil for MCRs which was in the spirit of keeping neighborhoods/communities together. And the people stood up and praised Jesus, hallelujah. And now suddenly its acceptable to chop neighborhoods up.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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This redistricting is different from those in the past I think. Instead of reassignment to an equal or a new school, the perception is that people are moving to a 'worse' school. A common statement on FB is UNACCEPTABLE.
Oh it's happened plenty of times in the past and because of it, it's a sensitive subject in NC, especially this part of NC. See Swann vs CMS. This is why this argument doesn't work because it requires the school system to admit that schools are not equal.

Despite that, I think some of this is about leveling the county wide school system to one that doesn't have all the high performing schools and school investment stuck in one small part of the county.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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Good morning. I am new to posting on here, but have continued to follow this thread from the beginning when I was searching for information regarding the re-districting. There is a parent in my daughter's class that is prettyinvolved with all of this. She sent out an email to some parents regarding aconversation she had with Frank Aikmus. Not sure if it is relevant or anythingnew, but thought I would share.

"For thoseof you who have not heard, last night the BOE turned down the $3M offer fromthe BOCC because they believed it was tied to the $91M judgment. I was upset by this news, so I emailed the BOCC this morning asking for an explanation andrequesting that they offer the funds without any strings attached. Afterreceiving my email, Mr. Frank Aikmus, the Chairman, reached out to me by phone and had a very candid conversation. According to him, the BOE did not reach outto the BOCC until approximately 4:07 pm last night to discuss the $3M offer. The attorneys for both sides spoke, but somehow the BOE's attorney did not understand the terms. The only "condition" ofthe offer was that the funds had to be used for MCRs. The BOCC's goal was to useit for MCRs to stop the redistricting and give us time to come up with long term planning. Mr. Aikmus stated that the money was in no way tied to the judgment. Later that evening(during the BOE open session) he received an email from an angry parent asking why they (the BOCC) would lie to us. He didn't know what was going on and immediately started to investigate. Shortly after 7:00 there were multiple correspondences (texts, emails, calls) that began between the BOCC andBOE. He tried to make it clear that the money was not coming from the judgment.He wanted the BOE to take another vote on the money, but that didn't occur last night. He's trying to get the BOE to meet with the BOCC, but to no avail.
I think thisredistricting issue can be resolved, but we have to find a way to get the boards to sit down and talk this out. Please reach out to the BOE. We need themto understand the terms, have a revote to accept the funds, and start long term planning. Please spread the word to everyone you can."

Again not sure if this is relevant, but thought I would spread the word. I figured if there a group to spread it to, this would be a good place. Thanks.
Thanks for jumping in jddbad. Welcome to the maelstrom.
Everyone has their own take on this (as you will see shortly). Mine...Frank is playing the worst kind of Dukes of Hazzard politics. The money did have stipulations (go back on the thread and you can see links to the original roofing letter). Amazing how BOCC press releases are available during the BOE meeting. Is the BOCC making policy decisions over FB?

Personally (and this is strictly personal), I don't understand why monies can't be found for school repairs but we can build trailer cities to placate some instead of utilizing empty seats across the system...and none of "new ideas" solves the overcrowding issues. Just my $0.02.
 
Old 02-20-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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Help me with this please (and the following contain NO TIME CODES!)...they are talking about "Grandfathering"(GF'ing if you will) all the kids at their current schools...and we may argue cluster as well. At the same time there will be new lines drawn for the districts/clusters.
The GF'ing will only apply to sitting students..right? So am i correct in assuming that if I wanted to buy a home in a 'hood that has been redistricted, my kids would be required to attend a different high/middle/elem (perhaps) school than some of the kids in the neighborhood (the ones that have chosen to take the GF'ing)? Talk about Hunger Games....
Yes, as a parent you would have the CHOICE to buy that home or not. Rather than buying the home, investing in the school system for years and then being forced out to a school 3 times further away.
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