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Old 01-08-2014, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Union County
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again, facilities meeting was at 8:30 am, County Commissioners was in the pm. Rumor that there was a change was probably started by someone that has no idea the difference between the two.
My reference to a "change" was my own experience with previous meetings. To deny the BoE is avoiding a scene is disingenuous - we all know it's coming.

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Did I say I didn't know where to find a subdivision map? I said I didn't know where the subdivision was, but informed her of the borders. Contrary to how it may appear by my obsession with beating my head against the wall in these posts, I have better things to do then to pull up a subdivision map, find a subdivision, and compare it to the boundary lines.
I wasn't suggesting you do anything of the like - it would have taken you less time to link the person to the proper place. Instead you like to drone on "correcting" people and talking down to them. You're not helping your own case and are "beating your head" all by your self. You seem perfectly content not providing any helpful information and trying to make others look foolish. <hint> it's not working.

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since you are so well versed with finding documents online, why don't you review prior Facility Committee minutes from previous months and report back to us what their usual meeting times are? Ignorance and confusion on your part does not equal avoidance on their part.
I would - except they are NOT posted... The last minutes from a facility meeting are up from Nov 6th. There are no minutes posted for either the Nov 25th or Jan 6th meeting. Meanwhile regular board meeting minutes are already up from Jan 7th. You appear to be the confused one and should check before you make yourself look sillier.

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They released preliminary information, before the final draft is ready, as they are working on the final draft, but that isn't transparent?? My point is you can see what they are working towards and it is pretty obvious which elementary schools are impacted, as opposed to what you said.
They released an edited spreadsheet showing numbers modified by cluster and a poorly written half arse presentation deck with no substance. You seem to be OK with "pretty obvious" from public officials. I'm not and I have every right to be... There is no transparency... there is no documentation... how many times have they gone through this? Nobody took the time to document a process? Nobody will document what has happened at the last TWO facility meetings? I'm glad you're OK with that, but I have every right to question it.

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Again, you are confused. Facilities committee consists of 4 BOE members. UCPS staff (Dr. Ellis, Dr. Web, and their staff) are the ones working on the proposal, as they were instructed to do by the board. Yes, I imagine and hope that they are working on it in between meetings, or else those would be some long meetings. Do you expect to receive a memo everytime someone uses their eraser and redraws a line and ponders the outcome? But they have indeed shared HOW they are arriving at this, if you were at the same meetings as me, you saw the power point presentation and saw the pockets they were trying to relieve and the empty seats they were trying to fill.
Honestly, you seem as confused as everyone else... Of course they're working on it between meetings - that's my entire point. Save the memo and share working session minutes - minutes from a recent public meeting... Share the numbers they're looking at BY SUBDIVISION - be it students, forecasts, or distance to each school... You like to "assume the obvious" - and it's quite obvious they have those datapoints. How about sharing any of that for starters? and again, you're confused. The presentation is not about "how"... I saw it at the meeting and it's posted online. Go back and re-read it so you can let us all know "how" they will get to those numbers. Oh wait, let me guess... they're going to move kids around! what a shocker... The overall process and decision making should be transparent and it's not. Period.

 
Old 01-08-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but the BOE used to refuse to meet in a location where their meetings could be recorded and I think that is still the case. Does anyone know why they do that? Not many folks can go to the meetings but it would be nice to have access to watch what goes on. Perhaps that is why they don't record them? Better we voters not know? I'm just asking...seems strange that they have the facilities to record the meetings and don't. The county records the dang Planning Board meetings....but no BOE? Transparency is lacking.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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Thank you for sharing that. It is appreciated.
It's all going to balance out, I am sure of it.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Carolina Blue Skies
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When I moved to this area, we were ALL districted to Parkwood. Cuthbertson and Marvin Ridge didn't exist! Nor did Kensington or New Town for that matter. As a child I lived in Weddington, but was districted to Sun Valley as it was the closest school there was. The "scores" at Sun Valley were nothing special, I can assure you of that. And we had a long bus ride every single day. But I graduated 6th in my senior class out of 191 regardless, went to UNC-Chapel Hill, and have a decent life! I WANTED to make good grades and go to college, and so I did. There were no special teachers holding my hand or any extraordinary surroundings to ensure that I would succeed. My point is this - everything is relative. I think that some folks are truly expecting TOO much from the teachers and from the "reputation" of a school. Sure it's a perk to have your child in a high ranked school (c'mon, we all want that for our kids), but it will by NO means keep them in a bubble or guarantee their success!! If there are higher scores at certain schools, I can assure you that it is a reflection of the PARENTS involved in the schools more than any teacher or principal or what have you. If many of the kids going to a particular school come from homes where their basic needs aren't being met (food, healthcare, love, safety, security, etc), I can guarantee that their priorities are going to be different!! When little Johnnie's tummy is grumbling or when his tooth is aching for lack of being able to see a dentist, he really isn't going to care as much if he makes an A or B or C not matter HOW fantastic his teacher is!!! Do you see my point? Kids are a reflection of their circumstances most often. I think that most teachers do the very best they can, I really do. And I'm certain that there are amazing kids and teachers in EVERY school. That said, I know as a parent that there are fears about crime and long bus rides and "low scores". But I truly do not have any fears about my child possibly having to go to Parkwood. I really don't! If it were ridden with gang members and shootings and resource officers, I may have my hesitations as safety then becomes a concern. But I just don't believe that to be the case here. Yes, we all want our property values to go up, up, up. But nothing is a guarantee. To answer your question, I moved here to begin with because I wanted to be away from all the traffic and stores and chaos!! Boy have times changed ;-) I have STAYED here, however, b/c its beautiful and clean and well... it's home. This area is amazing and it will stay amazing as long as our community works for it! The lack of spirit, strength, integrity, and patience I have seen here in this thread alone makes me realize that we could all be doomed if human nature takes over. Everyone needs to just breathe and look at the big picture here!!!! We are ALL in this and so are our kids. If WE freak out, THEY will freak out. Kids and parents and educators TOGETHER make a "great school", end of story. Parkwood can be an amazing school too if given the chance and a little love and nurturing. So there's my answer.
One thing I notice is if your kid is ranked in the top percentage of a lower performing school (i.e. Parkwood), they have a better change getting into high ranked College than a top student at Weddington or Marvin..
 
Old 01-08-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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My reference to a "change" was my own experience with previous meetings. To deny the BoE is avoiding a scene is disingenuous - we all know it's coming.



I wasn't suggesting you do anything of the like - it would have taken you less time to link the person to the proper place. Instead you like to drone on "correcting" people and talking down to them. You're not helping your own case and are "beating your head" all by your self. You seem perfectly content not providing any helpful information and trying to make others look foolish. <hint> it's not working.



I would - except they are NOT posted... The last minutes from a facility meeting are up from Nov 6th. There are no minutes posted for either the Nov 25th or Jan 6th meeting. Meanwhile regular board meeting minutes are already up from Jan 7th. You appear to be the confused one and should check before you make yourself look sillier.



They released an edited spreadsheet showing numbers modified by cluster and a poorly written half arse presentation deck with no substance. You seem to be OK with "pretty obvious" from public officials. I'm not and I have every right to be... There is no transparency... there is no documentation... how many times have they gone through this? Nobody took the time to document a process? Nobody will document what has happened at the last TWO facility meetings? I'm glad you're OK with that, but I have every right to question it.



Honestly, you seem as confused as everyone else... Of course they're working on it between meetings - that's my entire point. Save the memo and share working session minutes - minutes from a recent public meeting... Share the numbers they're looking at BY SUBDIVISION - be it students, forecasts, or distance to each school... You like to "assume the obvious" - and it's quite obvious they have those datapoints. How about sharing any of that for starters? and again, you're confused. The presentation is not about "how"... I saw it at the meeting and it's posted online. Go back and re-read it so you can let us all know "how" they will get to those numbers. Oh wait, let me guess... they're going to move kids around! what a shocker... The overall process and decision making should be transparent and it's not. Period.
So elected officials should disregard their set meeting times from each month, and instead call you to ask if you are planning to attend, and if so, what time you attended your last meeting, regardless of what TYPE of meeting, so that they can plan it at that same time. Oh, ok. I get it now.

I'm shocked.....really. Where did you find the board minutes from Jan 7th? I've never, in any of my experience with an elected board, seen published minutes until they are typed up, read, and then voted on for approval, and passed at the next meetings. Please post a link for us to see, and I vow not to make another comment on this subject and agree they are all sneaky SOB. And I will also admit that I know nothing compared to your obvious grasp on the political activity in this county. And i will vote against ALL of them with you, next time they are up for election. Just so that we are clear, since you seem confused about the process, we are talking about:
-UCBOE
-in NC
-jan 7th meeting
-2014
-minutes..of THAT meeting..not agenda, not the minutes from Dec's meeting, not copies of policies they were discussing, Jan 7 MINUTES.
 
Old 01-08-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Honestly, you seem as confused as everyone else... Of course they're working on it between meetings - that's my entire point. Save the memo and share working session minutes - minutes from a recent public meeting... Share the numbers they're looking at BY SUBDIVISION - be it students, forecasts, or distance to each school... You like to "assume the obvious" - and it's quite obvious they have those datapoints. How about sharing any of that for starters? and again, you're confused. The presentation is not about "how"... I saw it at the meeting and it's posted online. Go back and re-read it so you can let us all know "how" they will get to those numbers. Oh wait, let me guess... they're going to move kids around! what a shocker... The overall process and decision making should be transparent and it's not. Period.
I don't know why I bother, but here it goes;
Staff is working on maps and plans. There are no "minutes", it is not a public meeting. Do you take minutes when your boss assigns you a project?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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Well I guess everyone is going to have their own opinion on this. Guess the bottom line is they can do what ever they want and we have to make our own decisions on what we have to do to give our kids a better education. My neighbor is a reporter for CNBC and started to talk about it on the 5:30 pm news last night. I'm guessing the numbers will drop because most people will probably pull their kids out and home school. I drove to Parkwood myself last night and it's 12 miles and 24 minutes (me driving not a bus) it's in the middle of nowhere. I will probably opt to move and let my home go since property values will drop so much. I think If it affects my neighborhood they probably will stop selling homes for a long time. Some neighborhoods have board members living in them like Quellin, Cureton so they are probably safe. Well I guess we all have to wait and stress until Tuesday 14th to find out whose affected. I'm guessing with 5800 students being affected they will probably have every county and town law enforcement agency there. I'm sure it's going to get ugly real fast. This will probably go down as the worst re district ever because the BOE has no clue how to fore see what's happening. Good luck everyone.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 06:50 AM
 
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Thanks for correcting me. I apologize to anyone who was offended by a school 3 rating. Parkwood is a "4"
I also went on school digger just to make sure I don't make any more mistakes and I see that they have school rankings of ALL schools in NC. You can rank just the High schools. Cuthbertson is 18 th Parkwood is 275 th and that is in the state of NC out of 564 High schools. So Parkwood is not the worst but but being in the top 20 out of that is very good since it's only be open for 5 yrs. I guess I'm wondering why a school that has been rated so low for awhile has not been addressed by the BOE as to why and what needs to change to make it better.
No, it is not nearly as good as Cuthbertson, but most of these numbers you keep spewing have Parkwood rated as pretty average. Actually greatschools is the only place I've seen as it being rated below average (although the middle school is rated a 7). But 275th out of 564 is better than average, as is the B- rating Parkwood got on the Niche.com website you recommended us visit. It's also rated a 3 out of 5 on schooldigger.

Yet you've said things like "why doesn't the BOE focus on improving this school?" as if it's one of the worst schools in the state when it's not. There are other schools in the same county that would need more improvement, such as Monroe HS. On the bright side, at least this whole situation will probably prevent some people on this forum from making generalizations like "Union County schools are great." Yes, some of them are but not all and you are not guaranteed a great public school just because it was zoned to one when you moved there.

You keep asking who is responsible for their low rating and blaming it all on the teachers. So do you think you will be helping improve the situation by walking away from your house??? If others do the same and all of the redistricted neighborhoods are full of vacant homes and foreclosures, don't you think that will give people even less of an incentive to move into the Parkwood district than they have now?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Union County
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So elected officials should disregard their set meeting times from each month, and instead call you to ask if you are planning to attend, and if so, what time you attended your last meeting, regardless of what TYPE of meeting, so that they can plan it at that same time. Oh, ok. I get it now.
Like I said, you're not cute or funny and don't have a good grasp of writing sarcasm... you're bad at it and it makes you look silly.

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I'm shocked.....really. Where did you find the board minutes from Jan 7th? I've never, in any of my experience with an elected board, seen published minutes until they are typed up, read, and then voted on for approval, and passed at the next meetings. Please post a link for us to see, and I vow not to make another comment on this subject and agree they are all sneaky SOB. And I will also admit that I know nothing compared to your obvious grasp on the political activity in this county. And i will vote against ALL of them with you, next time they are up for election. Just so that we are clear, since you seem confused about the process, we are talking about:
-UCBOE
-in NC
-jan 7th meeting
-2014
-minutes..of THAT meeting..not agenda, not the minutes from Dec's meeting, not copies of policies they were discussing, Jan 7 MINUTES.
Deflect all you want - avoid the ultimate point and harp on what I'm writing quickly on an anonymous forum... Whether it's an agenda or minutes I was focusing on the fact that they posted something... Let me go slow here so I don't confuse you...

- On the BOE Meeting Documents site, there are nothing (zero, zip, nada) posted for reference from the last 2 facilities meetings. They had time to review and post MINUTES from the Dec 10 Board meeting and the agenda for the Jan 7th Board meeting. Nothing posted from the Nov 25th facilities meeting... nothing posted from the Jan 6th meeting...

Stop deflecting and address my point... NOTHING posted from the past 2 facilities meetings.

I believe we all would agree that what the facilities meeting is doing over the past month bears the most important and impactful decision in the entire process... they are deciding what kids move where... everything else is a bunch of fluff. Let me repeat again to be sure you got it - what they have been doing in the past 2 facilities meetings (and between the meetings recently) is the biggest of the big deals. So this is where they need the most transparency and frighteningly they have given the LEAST - in fact, they have given NONE.

I can't make 8:30am meetings during the week and I want to stay informed... the facilities committee is not allowing me to... I have to rely on hearsay, twitter feeds, and anonymous forums for info - which is really just that - 2nd hand info. Where is the communications from the committee?

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I don't know why I bother, but here it goes;
Staff is working on maps and plans. There are no "minutes", it is not a public meeting. Do you take minutes when your boss assigns you a project?
Frankly, I don't know why I bother... but here goes: These are PUBLIC officials - elected or appointed. They don't get the luxury of doing a private sector job. If they don't like it, guess what? Resign, don't run again, walk away... otherwise, as a publicly elected or appointed official, you answer to ME. Like it or not. You seem OK with "we got it from here" and letting them work behind closed doors - nope... Those emails and those texts for "BOE business"... all public record and can be requested - we get to read them. To compare this to my boss and a project I may be assigned in the private sector is the silliest of all your posts so far.

What I find the most funny about your lame attempts at arguing with me is not how bad you are at it... although, you really are... It's how I now believe you simply don't know what transparency means in a public official setting. They don't get to "work on it" and then come show us the final draft... transparency is letting everyone know HOW you came to the recommendation... what INPUTS did you use into making your decisions... what weighting factors did you assign these inputs into the ultimate decision - was geographical distance twice as important as forecasted middle school counts, was it equally as important? or most importantly - did subdivision A get special treatment because you live there or someone is a good customer of your business? Without full transparency it's too easy to abuse the privilege afforded to this small committee making such a huge decision in the overall process. How do you not get it? Now I'm the one beating my head.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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No, it is not nearly as good as Cuthbertson, but most of these numbers you keep spewing have Parkwood rated as pretty average. Actually greatschools is the only place I've seen as it being rated below average (although the middle school is rated a 7). But 275th out of 564 is better than average, as is the B- rating Parkwood got on the Niche.com website you recommended us visit. It's also rated a 3 out of 5 on schooldigger.

Yet you've said things like "why doesn't the BOE focus on improving this school?" as if it's one of the worst schools in the state when it's not. There are other schools in the same county that would need more improvement, such as Monroe HS. On the bright side, at least this whole situation will probably prevent some people on this forum from making generalizations like "Union County schools are great." Yes, some of them are but not all and you are not guaranteed a great public school just because it was zoned to one when you moved there.

You keep asking who is responsible for their low rating and blaming it all on the teachers. So do you think you will be helping improve the situation by walking away from your house??? If others do the same and all of the redistricted neighborhoods are full of vacant homes and foreclosures, don't you think that will give people even less of an incentive to move into the Parkwood district than they have now?
I don't have control of what EVERYONE else does. Sounds like you are a fan of Parkwood. And that's fine that's your opinion. And if you think average is good for your children then again good for you. Also be inclined to look at test scores before you try to make it seem as if they don't need to fix that school. If I chose to walk away from my home that's MY decision. As far as a 3 Star or a 5 star well let's just say it could look ok in that sense unless you compare that to a hotel. I would rather be a 5 star. Again just MY opinion. I think my children deserve more than average. So why do you think Parkwood is 275 and not in the Top 20 ? How come their scores are low? Why isn't it a 9 grade like Cuthberson,Marvin,weddington? And why are there more incidents there also w kids. Just curious what your answer is because just being out in the country shouldn't effect how kids are taught right ? Just help me figure out those questions and maybe it will give me something to think about.
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