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Old 05-23-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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What is everyone's take on the proposed 13% tax increase as proposed by the BOCC? I for one would be curious to know if a reduced tax hike or none at all would be considered if the School board was willing to work with the BOCC to find middle ground on the Appeal. A reduced yet fair amount from the Jury Award spread over the course of 3 years for example, would this reduce the need for such a large tax increase on the people of UC? Or would that approach have little to no affect on the proposed tax increase at all?

Union County considers 13% tax hike | CharlotteObserver.com
No. The tax increase actually needs to be higher than this to fully fund the 2014-2015 proposed budgets. I believe Commissioner Johnson stated around 20%. UCPS asked for $91,716,315 for capital outlays with $26,468,764 being new needs and $71,247,551 being the remaining jury award. That proposed 13% tax hike will do nothing as far as that jury award as best I can tell.

http://www.co.union.nc.us/Portals/0/...OutlayFund.pdf
http://www.co.union.nc.us/Portals/0/...udget/TabA.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEN2z...LIsMsViKebj_Cg

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Old 05-23-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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No. The tax increase actually needs to be higher than this to fully fund the current year proposed budgets. I believe Commissioner Johnson stated around 20%.

http://www.co.union.nc.us/Portals/0/...OutlayFund.pdf
Perhaps the prosposed Waxhaw Equestrain Center will bring in the shortfall....ooof! Hope that didn't strike any nerves

Have to have light industry in the county. As we have all said, residential CANNOT cover itself. Need to get the focus off residential, Get more restrictive on Res zoning (impose lot size limits, etc) and focus on bringing jobs and business to the county.

IMHO.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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Does anyone know if the proposed increases are pre-re-evaluation or post re-evaluation. That would make a big difference (if it's post then if, as could happen, re-eval's go DOWN then it holds everyone revenue/cost neutral). If it's pre then it's huge (and silly).
i thought res development paid for itself?
 
Old 05-23-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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No. The tax increase actually needs to be higher than this to fully fund the 2014-2015 proposed budgets. I believe Commissioner Johnson stated around 20%. UCPS asked for $91,716,315 for capital outlays with $26,468,764 being new needs and $71,247,551 being the remaining jury award. That proposed 13% tax hike will do nothing as far as that jury award as far as I can tell. It will only fund a portion of the increase in the 2014-2015 year operational and capital budgets.

http://www.co.union.nc.us/Portals/0/...OutlayFund.pdf
http://www.co.union.nc.us/Portals/0/...udget/TabA.pdf

May 22 BOCC Special Budget Meeting - YouTube
The YouTube video above is the BoCC 2nd meeting. The important tax one...

The joint BOE/BoCC meeting YouTube video is here...

UCPS BOE joint meeting with UCBOCC - YouTube

Before commenting people should actually read the docs and watch the videos.

UCPS should post its presentation just like the BoCC did.


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Does anyone know if the proposed increases are pre-re-evaluation or post re-evaluation. That would make a big difference (if it's post then if, as could happen, re-eval's go DOWN then it holds everyone revenue/cost neutral). If it's pre then it's huge (and silly).
i thought res development paid for itself?
Pre (i.e., current values)

Slide #2 of this presentation http://co.union.nc.us/portals/0/fina...al05222014.pdf

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Old 05-23-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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Here is the BoCC 2nd meeting. The important tax one...

http://www.co.union.nc.us:8080/sirep...doctype=AGENDA

Before commenting people should actually read the docs and watch the videos.

UCPS should post its presentation just like the BoCC did.




Pre

Slide #2 of this presentation http://co.union.nc.us/portals/0/fina...al05222014.pdf
Thanks! Can't open on my luddite blackberry. Next week..
 
Old 05-23-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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Thanks! Can't open on my luddite blackberry. Next week..
They are using the current Property Tax and Motor Vehicle Tax in the calculations.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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They are using the current Property Tax and Motor Vehicle Tax in the calculations.
This will hurt home values in Union County. 13% increase in property taxes is insane.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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Found the UCPS finance presentation from last night...
http://finance.ucps.k12.nc.us/docume...OCC5-22-14.pdf

Here is the full BOE 2014-15 budget...
http://finance.ucps.k12.nc.us/docume...sal5-14-14.pdf
 
Old 05-24-2014, 04:14 AM
 
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I had to put myself in CAPS shoes for a second. Just pretend you are a plantiff in the lawsuit...you have volunteered countless hours, spent alot of your own money and put your name on the suit. And the whole time you have been surrounded by a group of supportive parents that agree with you...it's pretty good. I can't imagine how I would have felt, knowing how many legal hours were racked up, when the motion to dismiss/answer came back asking for attorney's fees. I probably would have a had a little panic attack. Probably would break out to around $10k per plaintiff (and several plaintiffs are married so x2). Not breaking the bank but who wants to cough up that kind of jack? Perhaps they have a "in case my legal case looses-fund"...I don't. That's a semester of private school!.....
You know, if you decide to punch someone in the face and you don't hit them hard enough to knock them out, then you better have a plan for what happens afterwards. Or even better, don't get into a pointless fight.

IMO, if they didn't know this could happen then they either didn't listen to their legal "team" or their lawyer(s) neglected to let them know this. If they did know, and this lawsuit was nothing more than a very loud protest and some sort of attempt to inflict pain on the BOE as was suggested earlier in this topic, then I guess, they getting ready to get a schooling themselves.

The taxpayers should get back every dime spent on this court case and the costs for reproducing 1000s of documents to be handed over to this group including the salary time of the school employees who had to pull it.
 
Old 05-24-2014, 06:18 AM
 
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People that don't have an impacted child say that most people have moved on... every person that I talk to that does have an impacted child hasn't moved on.
One must have an open mind to embrace change. It sounds like many are still grieving their loss and stuck in one of the various stages. Where are you currently?

1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance

Those impacted are certainly not in a healthy state of mind if they are stuck in one of these stages. Yes, something important has been lost and to a certain extent dead. But to be healthy, one must move forward. I'd say many folks are still in denial. Some are angry. And many are bargaining. For those kids who feel depressed related to the circumstances - acceptance is next and that will finally be healthy!! My guess is that a few days into school next year and most will have moved on to acceptance. And that truly is a GOOD thing..... (and this is not meant as sarcasm Mike, just an observation of what I've been seeing)....
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