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Old 11-30-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Does anyone carry any "less-lethal" weapons? Pepper balls, glass breaking balls, stun guns, etc?
Why bother with the liability.... for less than lethal, Pepper Foam

For direct threats on your life, conceal carry, but shoot to kill.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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Why bother with the liability.... for less than lethal, Pepper Foam

For direct threats on your life, conceal carry, but shoot to kill.
Trust me, I've considered it daily but as pro gun as I am, I always come to the conclusion that a few words and a few dollars isn't worth a lifetime of guilt.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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uncgdad1, you and I must have the same luck. It seems no matter where I go around the country, I'm always the one that some drunken, crazed homeless guy zeroes in on and targets. I always just let it go.
Me too! In fact I was surprised the OP said it never happened to him in NYC! I grew up in Jersey so I spent a lot of time in the city, and it used to happen to me all the time.

All. The. Time. Ugh.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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Trust me, I've considered it daily but as pro gun as I am, I always come to the conclusion that a few words and a few dollars isn't worth a lifetime of guilt.
What guilt?
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:06 AM
 
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I suggest you take Dan Starks self defense class where you get the Pepper Foam spray and protection keychain.

The pepper foam is awesome and won't blind you too... with the sprays, you could get it blown back in your face.

Dan is the guy you see on TV from crimestoppers and he will give you his personal cellphone number and offer free advice. He works with victims of crimes, but always says that you weren't a victim, the criminal chose you specifically.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...r4CKcQ&cad=rja
Just to give a heads up Dan's tactic is to tell you story after story of how people got hurt, try to make you feel scared and scared for your family, then baam here is product that will help you not be a victim. Typical public speaking and really no different than those self help seminars, but if it makes you feel safer or better go for it, just don't think you will be any better prepared in a stressful situation after taking a couple hour seminar.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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Just to give a heads up Dan's tactic is to tell you story after story of how people got hurt, try to make you feel scared and scared for your family, then baam here is product that will help you not be a victim. Typical public speaking and really no different than those self help seminars, but if it makes you feel safer or better go for it, just don't think you will be any better prepared in a stressful situation after taking a couple hour seminar.

People benefit from Mr. Stark's seminars because he lets the nieve know that there are really bad people out there, and he informs attendees how to avoid dangerous situations, ie. parking at gullible places at malls, walking with an easily accessable purse or arms occupied carrying groceries, etc. Furthermore, his conceiled weapon classes makes you aware of laws regarding firearm use and understand that with this permit comes extra responsibility. For example, there are many restrictions as to whether the law considers an assault on a person life threatening thus warranting the use of a weapon.

One that holds a license is held to a higher level of responsibility. Anotherwords, more is expected out of a permit carrier, ie. knowledge of laws, etc. If one has a weapon, he/she is less likely to use it on another human if he has a conceiled permit license.

I absolutely disagree with you on the usefullnes of this seminar. It is in fact useful and should make a person feel more secure and capable to handle a horrifying situation legally.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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People benefit from Mr. Stark's seminars because he lets the nieve know that there are really bad people out there, and he informs attendees how to avoid dangerous situations, ie. parking at gullible places at malls, walking with an easily accessable purse or arms occupied carrying groceries, etc. Furthermore, his conceiled weapon classes makes you aware of laws regarding firearm use and understand that with this permit comes extra responsibility. For example, there are many restrictions as to whether the law considers an assault on a person life threatening thus warranting the use of a weapon.

One that holds a license is held to a higher level of responsibility. Anotherwords, more is expected out of a permit carrier, ie. knowledge of laws, etc. If one has a weapon, he/she is less likely to use it on another human if he has a conceiled permit license.

I absolutely disagree with you on the usefullnes of this seminar. It is in fact useful and should make a person feel more secure and capable to handle a horrifying situation legally.
People already know there are bad people out there, that is why they signed up for a self-defense seminar. The issue I had was presentation follow-up by a sales pitch. It is specifically designed to raise the heart rate, pull at heart strings and while on that high sell a product. You walk out with some nifty tools and a couple minutes of training thinking you are ready to face a situation.
I will say that I have never taken his CCW class, but I am sure he follows the state mandates on the class. NC regulates those classes to what is discussed, how it is discussed and how long they must discuss it for. Something along the lines of 2 hours on safety, 2 hours on handling, and 4 hours on laws. Up until the recent law changes the law section was a mandatory video produced by the state.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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People already know there are bad people out there, that is why they signed up for a self-defense seminar. The issue I had was presentation follow-up by a sales pitch. It is specifically designed to raise the heart rate, pull at heart strings and while on that high sell a product. You walk out with some nifty tools and a couple minutes of training thinking you are ready to face a situation.
I will say that I have never taken his CCW class, but I am sure he follows the state mandates on the class. NC regulates those classes to what is discussed, how it is discussed and how long they must discuss it for. Something along the lines of 2 hours on safety, 2 hours on handling, and 4 hours on laws. Up until the recent law changes the law section was a mandatory video produced by the state.
People are going to buy guns. Why not teach some basic that will remind people that a gun isn't a licence to kill, just a tool to allow a fighting chance? You are under a false impression when you say, "You walk away with some nifty tools and a couple minutes of training thinking you are ready to face a situation." The whole course is to ensure that you know rules and understand that every possible step must be taken "not" to kill someone that is threatening you. Two hours on safety and 2 hours on handling is more than most people get unless they are former military members. One is also required to qualify on the firing range to prove that basic skills are there.

I am pleased to see so many people getting conceiled permits. I hope that those that have the need to use them do so and rid society of a dirtbag.
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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People are going to buy guns. Why not teach some basic that will remind people that a gun isn't a licence to kill, just a tool to allow a fighting chance? You are under a false impression when you say, "You walk away with some nifty tools and a couple minutes of training thinking you are ready to face a situation." The whole course is to ensure that you know rules and understand that every possible step must be taken "not" to kill someone that is threatening you. Two hours on safety and 2 hours on handling is more than most people get unless they are former military members. One is also required to qualify on the firing range to prove that basic skills are there.

I am pleased to see so many people getting conceiled permits. I hope that those that have the need to use them do so and rid society of a dirtbag.
Well 1st let's be clear. I was addressing his self-defense seminars not his CCW classes, they are two different events, i have had the pleasure of attending the self-defense seminar, i used someone else for the CCW. My complaints with him and his presentation revolve around the self-defense seminar and the nifty tools he tries to peddle after telling you about a carjacking or a robbery, but don't worry this will save you. His seminar only serves to create a self inflated sense of false security, and to line his pockets.

I am sure the CCW class is different due to the fact he must teach that class to exact spefications prescribed by the state. I assume you took his CCW class, in which case I sincerely hope he did not try to peddle additional items on your class.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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The nifty tools, are included in the price of the seminar fyi
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