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Old 07-20-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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. For the same reason, within a given school, the best teachers often teach the AP and Honors classes. They don't want to teach the class where every student has a testing accommodation or half the parents have to be called to inform them that their child has failed a test.
this is not true, according to several teachers right here in UC they are given the CP classes because they have away of getting through to more of the kids.
At least that is what a conversation was about with a great teacher. Maybe it depends on the principal and the assignments but this conversation covered exactly the opposite of what you suggested

 
Old 07-20-2014, 10:10 PM
 
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this is not true, according to several teachers right here in UC they are given the CP classes because they have away of getting through to more of the kids.
At least that is what a conversation was about with a great teacher. Maybe it depends on the principal and the assignments but this conversation covered exactly the opposite of what you suggested
It probably does depend on the school. There is definitely a pecking order in departments at some schools with those highest in the order based on performance or relationship with the administration being able to command the courses they are assigned.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 10:41 PM
 
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I suspect both cases are true... depending on each schools' administrative teams. The 'best' schools typically have the best administrators, 'top' teachers tend to follow. When administrators are inexperienced or wash out in high-performing schools, they tend to get moved to lower performing schools - perpetuating the unbalanced pattern.

A few years with incompetent leadership can do lasting damage to a school - a portion of every district's schools are always recovering from this in any given year. Still, there are no good reasons to explain why neighboring schools show marked differences in performance - its shameful. Part of this unnatural balance comes with the history of UC growth.

CHS opened before its capacity was needed (and far from best location to accommodate population growth). Lines were redrawn and students were pulled from all the neighboring districts in an attempt to fill the school enough to keep the doors open. Even the alternative school was temporarily moved into CHS to keep census up. The county's best administrative team was assembled and was given license to cherry-pick the best teachers from neighboring schools. For a while, the school enjoyed a benign nepotism that allowed it to cut to the front of the line both in staffing and funding. I think this comes pretty close to mewith3's proposed experiment. Schools that enjoy favored status in the district show higher performances.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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If we want excellent teachers for all our students, they need to all be paid as professionals and there needs to be a pay differential for those willing to take on the more challenging assignments. Of course, in NC, hell will freeze over before we see that happen.
Pay differential is not the answer. I have seen pay differential up close and personal for administrators and teachers. Administrators are more likely to move for $$$s than teachers because teachers usually have their own children in the school/cluster. And those admins are usually wealthier, but miserable. It just creates a class of assumed hired guns to go from school to school, and from one district to another because of test scores. In the end they are usually frauds.

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It probably does depend on the school. There is definitely a pecking order in departments at some schools with those highest in the order based on performance or relationship with the administration being able to command the courses they are assigned.
No, its not the school either. You are giving too much credit to teachers and administrators. I think they are important but not the keys.


No, its all about parents (or the home environment if "parents" aren't there). It doesn't matter how how rich they are, how smart they are, or what color they are. Its all about how involved they are. Do the parents accept not reading in the 4th grade or not. Do they accept not knowing multiplication tables in the 5th grade or not. Is the homework done or not. Inappropriate jewelry, clothing, language or not. Unmonitored cell phones, computer activity or not. Unlimited video games and/or You Tube videos all day in the summer with no reading or chores or not. Etc., etc., etc. And finally and most importantly what example do the parents themselves set? Like father, like son. Like mother, like daughter.

Administrators and teachers are not paid substitutes for parents no matter how much they may be paid.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 03:39 AM
 
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okay humor me: if you pick up all the students from a school rated 9 or 10 and move 100% of them to a school currently rated a 4 or 5 do you think the school rating of the school they are now at (the 4-5 school) will go up or will it stay at the the level it was at when you moved those kids in?....
A meaningful answer can only be given to this question, after, there is a clear description on how the rankings are generated, the base used for the rank, and criteria ranked. Without this, then there is no meaningful answer. Furthermore, if the ranks against the real world criteria, they are rather pointless anyway.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 03:50 AM
 
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being forced to be on a bus at 6:05 am for an hour to a lesser performing school is harm..
Nobody has made an argument in the court that the kids will not receive a proper education due to the redistricting. This is the "harm" the court apparently requires. If this was a valid concern, then I'd assume the parents, would have shown up with tons of data that would prove this. But there is nothing.

IMO, there has been nothing presented in court because this isn't the issue. The issue, as the plaintiff reluctantly admitted, is property values. Nothing more, nothing less. i.e. They want an exclusive enclave created in a county wide school system. This isn't the concern of the public school system and these people should have done their homework before moving into the area.

In regards to getting on a school bus at 6:05 am. See First World Problems Nobody is "forced" to use the taxpayer provided transportation to school.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 05:09 AM
 
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waldo -please don't breed. Send your kids to Monroe or to Duck Dynasty HS......then tell me..you should have done your homework when your current school isn't even overcrowded.....that argument is getting old....the one thing that this county had going for it is gone.....lawsuit after lawsuit show nothing but poor leadership...new people moving here along with the current will continue to go towards private and turn to homeschooling (continuing to grow in record #'s and will continue to) and of course move away. There will be no real established neighborhoods or stability to build property values - or solid schools- so your growth will stop. To many neighborhoods and schools were effected - do your homework before making decisions. County growth is not a unique problem - it happens everywhere, yet here none of it gets managed or thought through here - just more court and lawyer time and expense...depending on the result you want to achieve, the answer is very simple....to most people.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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waldo -please don't breed. ....
Well it's a shame that you felt that you had to go there with that kind of comment.

As for the growth in this area, Mecklenburg & Union have had county wide school systems for a very long time, yet growth has been going on, unabated since the 1960s. IMO, this event, the redistricting, absolutely won't have any effect on it. Maybe a few disgruntled people will pack their bags and leave, but I'm guessing they won't be happy anywhere, and there will be plenty who will take their place. It all works out in the long run.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 03:47 PM
 
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I've been in Union County for some years, but have been completely unaware of a Duck Dynasty HS. Where is it?
 
Old 07-21-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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Well it's a shame that you felt that you had to go there with that kind of comment.

As for the growth in this area, Mecklenburg & Union have had county wide school systems for a very long time, yet growth has been going on, unabated since the 1960s. IMO, this event, the redistricting, absolutely won't have any effect on it. Maybe a few disgruntled people will pack their bags and leave, but I'm guessing they won't be happy anywhere, and there will be plenty who will take their place. It all works out in the long run.
Waldo, you have been pounding that drum ad nauseum….sort of like the child that sticks their fingers in their ears and chants "lalalalala" so they don't have to hear any other point of view….yes, its a county wide school district, cannot debate that, it is a fact. The BOE also has the absolute authority to change the district lines at any time they want. So in theory, they can force families into a new cluster every year if they so decide….would you have any issues with that? Just because someone (or some group in this case) CAN or is allowed to do something, doesn't mean they SHOULD do it
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