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Old 07-18-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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New article in the Charlotte Observer says parents are 'puzzled' about the new rules that require their child to be able to read to enroll in 4th grade. Apparently, there was a summer reading camp for kids that could not read and parents thought if their child attended he/she would go on to 4th grade.

HOW do children get through 3rd grade and not be able to read? I understand that parents don't want to hold their children back but I can't imagine a 4th grader not being able to read.

I don't know what the answer is but I am sure CMS will say they need more $$$, more reading camps, more teacher assistants, etc.

When are parents going to be responsible for the success of their children?
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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It's not when anymore. It used to be but we have gotten far away from parents being responsible.
Now we drop them at school and expect the "babysitters" (k-12th) to take over. There is before school care, after school care, free breakfast and lunch (no matter who or where you come from).
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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New article in the Charlotte Observer says parents are 'puzzled' about the new rules that require their child to be able to read to enroll in 4th grade. Apparently, there was a summer reading camp for kids that could not read and parents thought if their child attended he/she would go on to 4th grade.

HOW do children get through 3rd grade and not be able to read? I understand that parents don't want to hold their children back but I can't imagine a 4th grader not being able to read.

I don't know what the answer is but I am sure CMS will say they need more $$$, more reading camps, more teacher assistants, etc.

When are parents going to be responsible for the success of their children?
Or possibly more parents reading to their children?
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Old 07-20-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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It's not when anymore. It used to be but we have gotten far away from parents being responsible.
Now we drop them at school and expect the "babysitters" (k-12th) to take over. There is before school care, after school care, free breakfast and lunch (no matter who or where you come from).
So True.

I have a friend that works in social services. She said you wouldn't believe how many families have been on government assistance for multiple generations and they just keep on having more kids that are doomed to fail. Having more kids just means a bigger assistance check.

I can't imagine promoting a child who can't read to 4th grade. That is certainly setting the child up for failure.

So much for the 'progress' in education. Sad.
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Old 07-20-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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the problems are easy to see.

How about some solutions?

Maybe we should go ahead and separate those kids who can't read at 4th grade and start lining them up for trade schools and such.

We could use the Zoolander approach

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Old 07-20-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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hmmm, what happened to the reading specialists they had assigned at some schools to help they children struggling get there?

Without support at home its difficult, but it is not a CMS problem, its a nationwide problem especially in inner cities. Without proper funding and resources, can it ever be conquered?

They want those reading specialist or people who go into to help these kids locally to have teaching degrees. That's nice but in many schools across the country they ask for help, they have "grandparents" come in and spend time with certains kids helping them in K-2 and even further sometimes, just to sit and read together in the library or wherever.

There are low cost solutions, but they have to look hard and deep and take the steps to look for alternatives.
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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As said earlier, you can pour as much money into systems as you want and it only looks good for politicians. If there is ever going to be help for these struggling students, mothers need to get off their butts and read to them 15 minutes every day instead of eating and buying scratch-off lotteries with what could be lunch money. There are always students with genuine limitations, i.e. autism or developmental issues and these need specialized help and it is available. That is a small minority. Parents are the answer. They need to stop screaming for more money and outside help. Help begins at home. It has been proven that students do not perform at higher levels when taken from an old school without all of the modern luxuries and placed into a new ultra modern school. As long as a student is comfortable with climate control and basic study materials, there is no reason he/she can't accelerate, inner city or not.
It is not going to happen across the nation, there are mothers that don't care and there are mothers that have to work a double shift to pay the bills, put food on the table and try to make ends meet. They may be too tired to read and do other stuff when they get home. The other problem is many also move frequently. I said there are other options. You cannot change the parent.

Furthermore, why is it just the mothers, what about the fathers? Oh wait some don't have any or have never known their fathers. So I am glad you can blame the mothers but it took 2 to produce the child. But it is all the lottery buying mom's fault, .....
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:58 AM
 
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It's not when anymore. It used to be but we have gotten far away from parents being responsible.
Now we drop them at school and expect the "babysitters" (k-12th) to take over. There is before school care, after school care, free breakfast and lunch (no matter who or where you come from).
EXACTLY!!!!!! its an ASSAULT on the Children not being taught on how to READ!

Giving teachers raises by taxing the working class is not going to fix the problems in the schools!

We need to start firing the Bad influences in the school system and reverse course.
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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It is not going to happen across the nation, there are mothers that don't care and there are mothers that have to work a double shift to pay the bills, put food on the table and try to make ends meet. They may be too tired to read and do other stuff when they get home. The other problem is many also move frequently. I said there are other options. You cannot change the parent.

Furthermore, why is it just the mothers, what about the fathers? Oh wait some don't have any or have never known their fathers. So I am glad you can blame the mothers but it took 2 to produce the child. But it is all the lottery buying mom's fault, .....
Really, to tired to read with their children, then they are bad parents. Parenthood means making sacrifices for your children and sleep is one of them.
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