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Old 12-30-2007, 12:30 PM
 
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I really don't know why you continue to argue with me. The soil and moisture is completely different here than in parts of VA, and VA is a big state, so I have no idea which area you are referring to. It is cost prohibitive and not practical in our area for the most part, period. If you really want one, they'll build one, and it will cost you.

The OPs question has been asked and answered.
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Old 12-30-2007, 12:46 PM
 
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The OPs question has been asked and answered.

There is no documented proof in this thread or other threads regarding to this subject just several opinions. The OP will remain open for discussion unless someone is able to provide a credible document stating why the Charlotte area lacks homes with basements. Only the original poster will decide only, known or unknown to us if their question has been answered
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Old 12-30-2007, 01:30 PM
 
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Default basement in clay soil links

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu_LZ.3dHo5kA1UhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE5YWszZjF hBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1lTMjAwXzgzB GwDV1Mx/SIG=12va2ti31/EXP=1199131993/**http%3a//ezinearticles.com/%3fBasement-Construction-in-Clay-Soils%26id=724976 (broken link)


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu_LZ.3dHo5kA2UhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE5MGlsaGl vBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1lTMjAwXzgzB GwDV1Mx/SIG=12r20ksb8/EXP=1199131993/**http%3a//www.buzzle.com/articles/basement-construction-in-clay-soils.html (broken link)

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu75q_3dHJ0cAvhlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE5YmM0Zmx wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1lTMjAwXzgzB GwDV1Mx/SIG=130odq8k6/EXP=1199132906/**http%3a//www.basementsystems.com/learning_center/basement/clay_bowl_effect.php (broken link)


Third link is very good.Hope this clear some of this up.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:02 PM
 
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Interesting article from the government.

NCisgreat, no one is arguing with you. I think most people realize that you do need to take extra precautions if you want to have a basement here, however IF proper precautions are taken, there should be no reason why you couldn't have one w/o any problems...Now I understand a little better why builders charge so much for it! However, many people I know prefer it so much more than a bonus room (remember, different strokes...)

Look, I look at a basement like any other part of the house. If you don't take precautions w/termites, most likely you WILL get termites. That goes for ANYTHING or around your house.

Good discussion.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:28 PM
 
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Default Cheap builders

Some areas of the country don't put in basements like in Texas and west of there. Here it's a builder just making a buck. The one thing I can't understand, is the builders that build with a 1 car garage. I thought that was a 1950's and earlier thing. Now most houses under 1500 sq ft are being built with 1 car garages. All they are doing is building low income houses in middle income areas.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:01 PM
 
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I really don't know why you continue to argue with me. The soil and moisture is completely different here than in parts of VA, and VA is a big state, so I have no idea which area you are referring to. It is cost prohibitive and not practical in our area for the most part, period. If you really want one, they'll build one, and it will cost you.

The OPs question has been asked and answered.
I was referring to the Fredericksburg area, and they also have a lot red clay soil there. I'm not trying to argue with you, but I honestly think there is a stigma and lack of effort from the builders here more so than we can't do it. It may not be easy and may cost more, but if other areas with similar soil types and climates have them, at least offer it as an option for buyers, especially seeing that it will probably be there biggest purchase.

http://www.washingtonian.com/article...rden/4738.html

They seem to have the same issues in the DC area with the drainage due to the clay soil type, but still build them anyway.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC (Charlotte 'burb)
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Well here you go:

http://www.findahomecarolina.com/community_reports.shtml (broken link)

"No basements. Because of the heavy clay soil here and the effort & expense to properly waterproof basements, you will find that a very small percentage of homes have them. If they do, they are usually walk-out (or, daylight) basements. Basement sqaure footage is not inexpensive here like it is in many other states."


Case closed. It is actually HEAVY soil and not WEAK soil (my mistake). And www.ask.com is wonderful. Just go and type "why are there no basements in charlotte?"
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Noth Caccalacca
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Well here you go:

http://www.findahomecarolina.com/community_reports.shtml (broken link)

"No basements. Because of the heavy clay soil here and the effort & expense to properly waterproof basements, you will find that a very small percentage of homes have them. If they do, they are usually walk-out (or, daylight) basements. Basement sqaure footage is not inexpensive here like it is in many other states."


Case closed. It is actually HEAVY soil and not WEAK soil (my mistake). And www.ask.com is wonderful. Just go and type "why are there no basements in charlotte?"
As the OP, I've learned a lot from all of the postings. Things may not be as simple as they seem. In thinking about my house in NJ, the sewer pipe was actually underneath the concrete floor in the basement and probably was about 9ft undergound. In my development they're not sunk more than a couple of feet down. Thus, if I had a basement here, the washer and any sinks in the basement would have to have a pump to get the water up to the level of the sewer line. That being said, I think if a builder wanted to construct houses all having the possibility of a basement, he would have to sink the sewer and water lines a lot deeper than they generally are, down here. The clay soil is a royal pain so I can imagine that the costs might be alot higher than having to dig into sandy loam. I must admit to never having seen an earthworm in the soil down here - that clay must be too tough for them!

But I think if you had enough people that really wanted basements and had a forward-thinking builder with potential clients willing to pay the extra costs, basements could be doable.

I just wonder whether houses that might be classified as having more favorable soil conditions east of the Charlotte area in more sandy areas might sport a higher level of basements.

Thanks Sunny, and thank you all, posters! While we've not uncovered the definitive reason that basements are a rarity in the Charlotte region, we've identified the most probable causes! I'm sure this question will be re-visited in the future.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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Default Why no basement

Why no basement? The original question was about a basement entirely below grade, not walk-out or basements with all but one or a partial wall below grade. Many people have addressed some of the issues related in developing the North Carolina Building Code. Such as, seasonal high water tables, soil consistancy, seismic activity, etc. But cost is not an issue. Any basement can be engineered to resist moisture, bugs, radon, etc. If your house was built before 1995, full below-grade basements were commonplace. Building and Safety codes have since changed and they change nearly every year. The State of North Carolina models it's code based on CABO (Council of American Building Officials--Falls Church, VA). For example, Section 303.1 Habitable Rooms. "All habitable rooms shall be provided with aggregate glazing (that's windows) area of not less than 8% of the total floor area of such rooms. One-half of the required area of glazing shall be openable." In a 1000 sq. ft. basement, that now would require about 40 of those 2 sq. ft window-well windows.Also, if the habitable room is a sleeping room there must be provided an emergency egress window that has its sill no more than 44 inches from the interior floor. These new building codes are enacted to protect the occupants. Just ask any fireman what it's like to find people trapped in a basement. Like I said, any fully below grade basement can be engineered to comply with building and safety codes, but because of the new codes, the cost of construction far exceeds what the average person can afford. In fact if where I live, just south of Raleigh, where the seasonal highwater table is 5 ft. and I had a basement, my house could just as well have sails. I hope this helps, in at least some clarification as to why there are few new houses with basements.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:04 PM
 
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An excavated below grade basement is a rarity here. Why? Because with the local conditions they virtually all leak and builders have learned not to build them. If a builder knows something is going to leak up front, they are not going to build it. The reason you don't see that many daylight basements is that most of the lots around here are too flat to do them. A daylight basement lot needs to have a descent amount of slope. You will see more basements out towards the foothills (towards Hickory) because the land is more hilly.
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