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Old 12-22-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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Just a note: we can't "bring" manufacturing jobs here when the factories are not only shut down, but their equipment was long ago sold to other entities in other countries.

We no longer have the infrastructure to support opening the doors of manufacturers who sold out to overseas operations or went bellyup, i.e., textiles and furniture (and in many cases, steel-related industries such as shipbuilding, as well).
Good points, Ani. Some manufacturing is coming in, but modern manufacturing is different. New equipment is used & there is training required. A lot of times these manufacturers are requiring gold or silver certification from the ACT readiness to work tests. You also have to be computer literate. In other words, retail is the new manufacturing.

Shelby has gotten some manufacturing facilities recently. There are welding jobs to be had in Bessemer City, City of Kings Mountain, & Shelby, but they want certified welders.

Manufacturing jobs are now entering the category of skilled jobs. You can't just show up in high school, get a piece of paper, & fall into a decent paying job.
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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Most of manufacturing needs updated equipment to stay competitive, so equipment is not really an issue. ....
Nah. They want cheap bodies for the meat grinder. There is nothing more to it than that.

This is why manufacturing has been transferred to places like Mexico and China. The Iphone, for example, is assembled by the communists in close to slave like conditions that would be impossible in places like the USA. It's good for Apple & it's investors, not much good for the 10s of thousands they used to employ in the USA in their former manufacturing plants. If it was a matter of updated equipment, then it would have never moved in the first place.

There is plenty of skilled labor in the USA. Wall street punishes companies that try to pay for it.

I do agree with you however. It's an skilled labor is an expiring resource. The current skilled generation is not passing on its skills to the next and when it's over, the 150 years of accumulated manufacturing expertise will be gone from this country forever.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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We've gone from IT off-shoring to manufacturing companies that want "cheap bodies for the meat grinder"? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people living in the South that directly or indirectly make a living on auto manufacturing, as companies like Honda, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Kia, and Hyundai hire like crazy and relocate suppliers to the area.

Keep unions out of it and manufacturing will continue to rebound. There is plenty of trainable labor and the low cost of energy (primarily natural gas) makes on-shore manufacturing more and more viable.

Should we move on to fracking now?

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Old 12-24-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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We've gone from IT off-shoring to manufacturing companies that want "cheap bodies for the meat grinder"? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people living in the South that directly or indirectly make a living on auto manufacturing, as companies like Honda, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Kia, and Hyundai hire like crazy and relocate suppliers to the area......
Why should we tell that to them? I think we should be glad we still have those jobs instead of using them for justification for the millions of jobs that have been off-shored. Sounds as if you even begrudge the ones still employed of being paid a wage.
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Old 12-24-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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We've gone from IT off-shoring to manufacturing companies that want "cheap bodies for the meat grinder"? Tell that to the tens of thousands of people living in the South that directly or indirectly make a living on auto manufacturing, as companies like Honda, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Kia, and Hyundai hire like crazy and relocate suppliers to the area.

Keep unions out of it and manufacturing will continue to rebound. There is plenty of trainable labor and the low cost of energy (primarily natural gas) makes on-shore manufacturing more and more viable.

Should we move on to fracking now?

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You missed the point completely.

How much of the car industry is in the Charlotte metro? Darned little of it is the correct answer. How many people in the Charlotte metro can commute to the BMW plant in Greer? Darned few. Heavy industry is moving out to the fringes. Some light industry is coming in, but as Ani correctly stated the empty facilities have mostly been stripped of equipment. New facilities are mostly built from the ground up. It's not the same as manufacturing was in your grandfather's time. That's a very big investment. The Republicans have changed the incentive game. The new version is geared towards companies that are already here not to bringing in new players. Let's see how this plays out. This year no one came into my town because of any version of an incentive, new or old.

As for the unions, I've worked union & nonunion. There are pros & cons to both. If you think that unions are 100% bad you're only kidding yourself.
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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You missed the point completely.

How much of the car industry is in the Charlotte metro? Darned little of it is the correct answer. How many people in the Charlotte metro can commute to the BMW plant in Greer? Darned few. Heavy industry is moving out to the fringes. Some light industry is coming in, but as Ani correctly stated the empty facilities have mostly been stripped of equipment. New facilities are mostly built from the ground up. It's not the same as manufacturing was in your grandfather's time. That's a very big investment. The Republicans have changed the incentive game. The new version is geared towards companies that are already here not to bringing in new players. Let's see how this plays out. This year no one came into my town because of any version of an incentive, new or old.

As for the unions, I've worked union & nonunion. There are pros & cons to both. If you think that unions are 100% bad you're only kidding yourself.
I didn't realize we were talking about Charlotte. The original post was regarding all of NC. Maybe you haven't heard about this little project called the Atlantic Coast Pipeline? That isn't being constructed because the investors expect 3 million new homes to be built in rural NC... it's for new manufacturing and power generation.

https://www.dom.com/corporate/what-w...coast-pipeline

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Old 12-29-2014, 09:04 AM
 
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I didn't realize we were talking about Charlotte. The original post was regarding all of NC. Maybe you haven't heard about this little project called the Atlantic Coast Pipeline? That isn't being constructed because the investors expect 3 million new homes to be built in rural NC... it's for new manufacturing and power generation.

https://www.dom.com/corporate/what-w...coast-pipeline

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This is the Charlotte board, not the NC board.
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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This is the Charlotte board, not the NC board.
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North Carolina is paying Cognizant Technology Solutions 3 Million Dollars of Tax Payer money to Outsource Jobs to India (please check the details about CTS before commenting on it)!!! Great Job by state and local officials in spending the tax payer money in the most in-appropriate way.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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How about this doozy: Audit: NC Labor Dept improperly paid for 100-mile commute | CharlotteObserver.com

Local media outlets report Kisha Holmes, deputy administrator of the department's Wage and Hour Bureau, got the reimbursement for mileage, meals, hotels and parking related to her commute from Lexington to Raleigh. The Department of Labor improperly paid her more than $9,400 to commute 100 miles from the worker's home in Lexington, according to state auditors.

Paid to drive to work! We're getting screwed everywhere!
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Look at the car companies that you listed. How many are in NC? BMW is in Greer, SC. A few people posting on this board could commute there, but very few. The state of NC gave taxpayers' money to a company that specializes in sending jobs off shore & bringing in lower paid visa workers. You're entitled to your polical opinions but what do car plants in other states have to do with this company? They offshore IT jobs & bring in visa workers. This also has nothing to do with your opinions of unions.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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Look at the car companies that you listed. How many are in NC? BMW is in Greer, SC. A few people posting on this board could commute there, but very few. The state of NC gave taxpayers' money to a company that specializes in sending jobs off shore & bringing in lower paid visa workers. You're entitled to your polical opinions but what do car plants in other states have to do with this company? They offshore IT jobs & bring in visa workers. This also has nothing to do with your opinions of unions.
The specific topic that was brought up, not by me by the way, had to do with manufacturing that had been moved off-shore and that manufacturers only look for bodies to put through the meat grinder (or whatever the ridiculous quote was). I simply made the point that many manufacturers, specifically in auto manufacturing, were choosing to setup shop in the southeast due to a trainable work force, favorable taxes, good infrastructure, non-union work force, and low price energy options... and where auto manufacturers go, suppliers go.

North Carolina may not have an auto manufacturer but they are still reaping the benefits related to all of the southern state advantages I listed above.


  • North Carolina has a strong manufacturing background with more than 500,000 manufacturing workers throughout the state—ranking 9th nationally in total manufacturing employment and 1st in the southeastern U.S.
  • North Carolina ranks 10th among all states in total automotive cluster employment according to the Harvard Business School Cluster Mapping Project
  • More than 160 companies in the motor vehicle parts industry in North Carolina, employing more than 17,000 people
  • 23% of the top 150 North American OEM parts suppliers have facilities in North Carolina, and 19 of those have more than one facility in the state
  • North Carolina is a right-to-work state with one of the lowest unionization rates in the nation—2.9%

Some specifics when it does come to auto/truck like companies...

Honda Aircraft Company has invested $124 million into its production facility in Greensboro, N.C. for HondaJet, a new advanced light jet. This facility is part of the 83-acre campus Honda Aircraft Company world headquarters.

Honda Aero, Inc. has invested $40 million into its aircraft engine production facility in Burlington, N.C. to supply the engines for HondaJet.

Honda Power Equipment Mfg., Inc. has invested $240 million into it's facility in Swepsonville, N.C.

Volvo corporate headquarters in Greensboro, NC

John Deere has substantial operations in Charlotte, Cary, Fuquay-Varina, Kernersville, and Morrisville


"We are actually a state that has a significant vehicle parts manufacturing component. We don't assembly the cars in North Carolina, but we make the parts that obviously become the cars. And the industry has grown quite a bit over the last 30 years. We had 10,000 workers in this industry in 1977. Now, we have about 35,000. And output has grown even more. Output has grown 1,200 percent over that time period. Now, this is part of the growth of the entire auto industry in the South. Many of our neighboring states actually have assembly plants. In the short run, if we do have problems in the auto industry, and if we do have contraction, if you will, of the big three in Detroit, out factories here could suffer a little bit. In fact, they're already downsizing somewhat due to the recession, but I think in the long run, more and more of the auto industry in America will be located here in the South, and that includes North Carolina." - Dr. Mike Walden, NC State


Not sure there is much else to say on the manufacturing topic... back to the diminishing IT off-shoring?


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