UCPS Bond Referendum 2015?

[MikeyKid]

Originally Posted by SunshineCJ

<alot of stuff I agree with>

I'm guilty of not dusting off my CV and making a serious run at getting on one of these boards. I'm also guilty of not spending enough time looking into the real agendas for those sitting on them. It's no different than most munis throughout the country, but that doesn't make me feel much better.

I agree it's BAU, but the depth of the BS we were fed leading up to the redistricting was so much deeper than I thought. Instead of being eye level it's way over everyone's head. It seems the CCEP has been the grail for a long time now (it includes all the pet projects like Yercheck HS & Tech Center). It apparently impacted the redistricting lines way more than I thought. A little thing like our friends in the Valhalla section across from MRHS finding out all too well how important it was for NTES to be crowded and justify the expansion. How SVHS needed to be maxxed out... etc.

You're right. There was no analysis done here - no input from the municipalities about building plans. No land use. No follow-up to the McKibben report. They are doubling down on a poorly planned redistricting with a poorly planned CCEP. It's amazing.

I'm not sure you're considering they could budget these projects anticipating to fund them from the Jury Award. Not counting Walter Bickett there are 9 (NINE) projects approved to move forward before July 1. 6 of them are supposed to be in Design phase already which to me means they are starting to run off some soft costs. As far as they're concerned the coffers are full right now and it will be interesting to see what shakes out from the appeal. I don't think anyone will argue they are going to get some percentage of the award.

I guess we'll find out if the county is really as broke as they are pretending to be... I'm betting they're not, but this is still gonna cost us. Heck, we still have to pay off the last time we got new schools. lol

[Redd Jedd]

Originally Posted by MikeyKid

I'm guilty of not dusting off my CV and making a serious run at getting on one of these boards. I'm also guilty of not spending enough time looking into the real agendas for those sitting on them. It's no different than most munis throughout the country, but that doesn't make me feel much better.

I agree it's BAU, but the depth of the BS we were fed leading up to the redistricting was so much deeper than I thought. Instead of being eye level it's way over everyone's head. It seems the CCEP has been the grail for a long time now (it includes all the pet projects like Yercheck HS & Tech Center). It apparently impacted the redistricting lines way more than I thought. A little thing like our friends in the Valhalla section across from MRHS finding out all too well how important it was for NTES to be crowded and justify the expansion. How SVHS needed to be maxxed out... etc.

You're right. There was no analysis done here - no input from the municipalities about building plans. No land use. No follow-up to the McKibben report. They are doubling down on a poorly planned redistricting with a poorly planned CCEP. It's amazing.

I'm not sure you're considering they could budget these projects anticipating to fund them from the Jury Award. Not counting Walter Bickett there are 9 (NINE) projects approved to move forward before July 1. 6 of them are supposed to be in Design phase already which to me means they are starting to run off some soft costs. As far as they're concerned the coffers are full right now and it will be interesting to see what shakes out from the appeal. I don't think anyone will argue they are going to get some percentage of the award.

I guess we'll find out if the county is really as broke as they are pretending to be... I'm betting they're not, but this is still gonna cost us. Heck, we still have to pay off the last time we got new schools. lol

Some of this was pointed out during the redistricting discussion. People may have not had proof of the exact reasons why certain things were being done, but it could be seen that they were being done.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by MikeyKid

I'm guilty of not dusting off my CV and making a serious run at getting on one of these boards. I'm also guilty of not spending enough time looking into the real agendas for those sitting on them. It's no different than most munis throughout the country, but that doesn't make me feel much better.

I agree it's BAU, but the depth of the BS we were fed leading up to the redistricting was so much deeper than I thought. Instead of being eye level it's way over everyone's head. It seems the CCEP has been the grail for a long time now (it includes all the pet projects like Yercheck HS & Tech Center). It apparently impacted the redistricting lines way more than I thought. A little thing like our friends in the Valhalla section across from MRHS finding out all too well how important it was for NTES to be crowded and justify the expansion. How SVHS needed to be maxxed out... etc.

You're right. There was no analysis done here - no input from the municipalities about building plans. No land use. No follow-up to the McKibben report. They are doubling down on a poorly planned redistricting with a poorly planned CCEP. It's amazing.

I'm not sure you're considering they could budget these projects anticipating to fund them from the Jury Award. Not counting Walter Bickett there are 9 (NINE) projects approved to move forward before July 1. 6 of them are supposed to be in Design phase already which to me means they are starting to run off some soft costs. As far as they're concerned the coffers are full right now and it will be interesting to see what shakes out from the appeal. I don't think anyone will argue they are going to get some percentage of the award.

I guess we'll find out if the county is really as broke as they are pretending to be... I'm betting they're not, but this is still gonna cost us. Heck, we still have to pay off the last time we got new schools. lol

Mikey, just a guess on my part, but I'd guess that officials in the other counties outside of Mecklenburg must be doing the dance of joy over all of this mess. I feel sorry for the residents of Union County who are caught in this mess.

[Rancher4life]

Originally Posted by Redd Jedd

Some of this was pointed out during the redistricting discussion. People may have not had proof of the exact reasons why certain things were being done, but it could be seen that they were being done.

Children in this county are nothing more than pawns to these people. The ends don't justify the means, it's not a game. Shameful how the BOE and UCPS Administration have behaved and continue to behave. Business as usual.

[MikeyKid]

Originally Posted by Redd Jedd

Some of this was pointed out during the redistricting discussion. People may have not had proof of the exact reasons why certain things were being done, but it could be seen that they were being done.

Hi Redd - if you remember the infamous redistricting threads back then you'll note my biggest peeve was the dirty details. They shared nothing from what was happening behind closed doors. I mean I agree we could read between the lines on what was happening (well, everyone except Marce Savage), but we never got detailed explanations on how the facilities committee developed the plan. Just some generic "Methodology" and classic one liners from their own presentation (BOE directive to UCPS) like "Stave off new school construction for about 5 years". You can go back and see lines like this still posted leading up to the eventual redistricting proposal.

Meanwhile they knew they were proposing new construction in the CCEP when they typed that. You can't make this stuff up.

[BubbaHelms]

Originally Posted by SunshineCJ

What isn't bass-ass backwards in The UC? ...All of them usually screw up. No outside analysis/studies, ignoring staff, relying upon unelected appointees who have agendas, etc., etc...

Yep. For evidence of this, just check out the next BOCC agenda. http://www.co.union.nc.us:8080/sirepub/cache/2/nwpcf4qygq1a5za5pun1eezw/12843704042015110632102.PDF

[SunshineCJ]

Originally Posted by BubbaHelms

Yep. For evidence of this, just check out the next BOCC agenda. http://www.co.union.nc.us:8080/sirepub/cache/2/nwpcf4qygq1a5za5pun1eezw/12843704042015110632102.PDF

No agendas at work here with appointments to the planning board let alone with House Bill 324 or Senate Bill 650

Move along, nothing to see here. Should Board of Ed Elections be Partisan?...

There is no such thing as political agendas or payback in The UC...

[BubbaHelms]

And if those bills don't pass, the deck stacking attempt just continues locally with a referendum on partisan elections to be held in the party primaries.

[BubbaHelms]

Originally Posted by SunshineCJ

No agendas at work here with appointments to the planning board...

There is no such thing as political agendas or payback in The UC...

From Spears' bodyguard to planning for the county's growth and deciding on major development permits and then onward to county commissioner ...Anything is possible in UC when you work the right people.

[SunshineCJ]

Originally Posted by BubbaHelms

...Anything is possible in UC when you work the right people.

...or when the right people start to work you...