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Old 08-05-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I live near Matthews off Monroe Road, and I love the idea of rail coming down Monroe Road. Wish it would start construction today.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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I don't see this happening but it would be a great idea. Not sure why they didn't put LR down the middle of Independence.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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I don't see this happening but it would be a great idea. Not sure why they didn't put LR down the middle of Independence.
Because Independence can't serve as a freeway & create walkable mixed-used nodes. Imagine trying to crosss a busy intersection to board a train in the middle of a freeway. The Urban Land Institute suggested allowing Indy to function as a freeway & to move neighborhood services including rail transit toward central & monroe
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Old 08-05-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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Keep in mind that at this point it is a study. Not a decision to do it. If you wish to provide input to the study this is your chance to do it. See this.

http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/c...s/default.aspx
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Old 08-05-2015, 04:24 PM
 
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Keep in mind that at this point it is a study. Not a decision to do it. If you wish to provide input to the study this is your chance to do it. See this.

http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/c...s/default.aspx
True but this corridor has the best chance to receive federal funding provided CATS can come up with it's portion.
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I'll be at least at the Matthews meeting, getting there a little late from work. I'm a Matthews native, so I intend on making this happen, and happen well :P
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Because Independence can't serve as a freeway & create walkable mixed-used nodes. Imagine trying to crosss a busy intersection to board a train in the middle of a freeway. The Urban Land Institute suggested allowing Indy to function as a freeway & to move neighborhood services including rail transit toward central & monroe
I don't think it's "impossible" to put rail down independence. Just make that portion elevated with elevated stations. Hell its done further down the blue line so it's completely possible. You can still convert Indy to an expressway but some configuration will have to be done to make it more transit friendly at the stations. If NYC and Los Angles can do it then Charlotte shouldnt have a problem as well. This line has the chance to be one of the most dense parts of the city. What do you see driving down Indy heading towards Uptown? It's barren and flat as hell with hardly any trees. This area is ripe for development if done correctly.
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Old 08-06-2015, 04:50 AM
 
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I don't think it's "impossible" to put rail down independence. Just make that portion elevated with elevated stations....
This was the original plan. I believe the stations at Pecan, Briar Creek and Amity Gardens were going to be at grade level where these roads cross Independence.

But that route is dead. The NCDOT & city didn't want to couple the fate of the HOV lanes to the decision of whether the Silver Line would be built or not.
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:13 AM
 
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I don't think it's "impossible" to put rail down independence. Just make that portion elevated with elevated stations. Hell its done further down the blue line so it's completely possible. You can still convert Indy to an expressway but some configuration will have to be done to make it more transit friendly at the stations. If NYC and Los Angles can do it then Charlotte shouldnt have a problem as well. This line has the chance to be one of the most dense parts of the city. What do you see driving down Indy heading towards Uptown? It's barren and flat as hell with hardly any trees. This area is ripe for development if done correctly.
I didn't mean that LRT couldn't be run down independence but that it wouldn't create walkable urban nodes around stations nor would it be convenient to people who want to walk or ride bikes to the stations. It would just be good for moving commuters from the suburbs. Every urban expert the city has commissioned agreed that Independence would best be served as a true freeway & allow uses that best fit freeways & to focus more on converting Monroe& Central to more pedestrian/bike friendly nodes because they fit better there. If the city/state had chosen to turn Indy into a super street then it might have worked.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If the city/state had chosen to turn Indy into a super street then it might have worked.
Yes. They only way I could have worked is if there was a will to make:
-Light rail down the median
-Pedestrian/bike friendly "service lanes" on the outer edges of the road to accommodate slower traffic speeds, with tree-planted medians.

I can't find the real life examples of this I've seen, but here's a rough estimation of the outer lanes:



They even hypothetically could do it after the state converts it to a freeway, and still keep the main travel lanes as unimpeded freeway speeds, they just wouldn't have street-level crosswalks and would need some more pedestrian bridges- and also very safely-designed exit interchanges. But then Charlotte would have to say "scr-w you" to the state after they spent all those NCDOT dollars to widen it.

But right now that's pretty much dead. If you look at the city's Independence Boulevard Area Plan, the land-use recommendations are straight-up "auto-oriented businesses and designs". They cite that new Wal-Mart as a prime example. So, they've pretty much abandoned any desire to make Indy ped-friendly.

Though I suspect in the decades ahead there will be efforts to retrofit certain areas for ped-saftey. But who knows when...

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