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Old 08-18-2015, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Shamrock Hills, Charlotte, NC
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I don't know the answer, but wish I did. I suspect that the only answer is time. That and patience and tolerance.
Meantime, I applaud you for looking for it.

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I want some opinions and ideas:

How would you encourage an increase in racial diversity in a predominantly white town/neighborhood-region over the course of one generation... WITHOUT public subsidy? I'm talking from policy, to grassroots.

As a note, I specifically mean the ultimate result of the buying of homes by more diverse groups in the town/area. Not just renting domiciles. Im talking hard ownership.

Go.
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Old 08-18-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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No one on this thread has advocated for "forced" diversity, whatever that is.
I believe that would be this......which has been tried and failed for decades:

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It's easier said than done but we need programs and policies to make the black population more educated and affluent. Low income housing needs to be spread into wealthier areas, bussing kids in lower income areas to higher income areas to have equal education, make vouchers for lower income students to attend private schools, infrastructure improvements to historically black neighborhoods.

But that's no easy task to get everyone on board
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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It's easier said than done but we need programs and policies to make the black population more educated and affluent. Low income housing needs to be spread into wealthier areas, bussing kids in lower income areas to higher income areas to have equal education, make vouchers for lower income students to attend private schools, infrastructure improvements to historically black neighborhoods.

But that's no easy task to get everyone on board



Why do we need to waste more money to try and make the black population more educated? Everyone gets free education through High School as it is, and just about anyone can get a free ride to a public university with good grades. Some choose to apply themselves and some choose not to.

Also, no on spreading low income housing into higher income areas. That's taking THOUSANDS of dollars out of my pocket due to a likely decrease in property values.

All I hear is how the government needs to do more and how we the taxpayers should be paying for more programs to people who choose not to apply themselves. F@@K that! You want to live a good life? Great! You want to be a failure? Your choice.

This is what gets my blood boiling! Take more out of my pocket to put it in the pocket of someone who's been on welfare for years and years because they're too lazy to go get a job.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Tega Cay, SC
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Why do we need to waste more money to try and make the black population more educated? Everyone gets free education through High School as it is, and just about anyone can get a free ride to a public university with good grades. Some choose to apply themselves and some choose not to.

Also, no on spreading low income housing into higher income areas. That's taking THOUSANDS of dollars out of my pocket due to a likely decrease in property values.

All I hear is how the government needs to do more and how we the taxpayers should be paying for more programs to people who choose not to apply themselves. F@@K that! You want to live a good life? Great! You want to be a failure? Your choice.

This is what gets my blood boiling! Take more out of my pocket to put it in the pocket of someone who's been on welfare for years and years because they're too lazy to go get a job.
Amen.
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: california
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I don't know that it was true every where, but where I grew up the Orientals would police them selves , children respect the elders even if they were not of their own family .
At least in the areas I am familiar with, Orientals have the highest respect.
When respect means something, people behave .
From what I hear from some African women , African men are not all that respectable. (few exceptions) but you never much see African adults stopping African kids from misbehaving.
And those adults that try, are beaten.
If the African adults don't get together and change their attitudes about being respectful and nonviolent and correct their children collectively nothing will change.
But there is no reason in this world to subject otherwise well behaved children to disrespectful kids, that only encourage rebellion.
Throwing good apples in with rotten apples, does not make the rotten apples good.
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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Why do we need to waste more money to try and make the black population more educated? Everyone gets free education through High School as it is, and just about anyone can get a free ride to a public university with good grades. Some choose to apply themselves and some choose not to.

Also, no on spreading low income housing into higher income areas. That's taking THOUSANDS of dollars out of my pocket due to a likely decrease in property values.

All I hear is how the government needs to do more and how we the taxpayers should be paying for more programs to people who choose not to apply themselves. F@@K that! You want to live a good life? Great! You want to be a failure? Your choice.

This is what gets my blood boiling! Take more out of my pocket to put it in the pocket of someone who's been on welfare for years and years because they're too lazy to go get a job.

First off, there are more "lazy" a$$ white people on welfare and food stamps than black people. Remember black people only make up 12% of US population or 1 in 10 people. Yes, on a percentage basis, the gubment support is higher in the black community but the real welfare queen is a single white mother.

Who Gets Food Stamps? White People, Mostly

The Myth of the Welfare Queen: How Classism Has Worked Against Black Women

Spending on educational resources isn't equitable in communities and school districts and usually influenced by people in wealthier neighborhoods and communities. No one is taking money out of your pockets for a damn thing. Most schools in the "hood" are fighting for equal resources and treatment, not more. Of course it is more challenging in these places to apply and transition their condition, but it's generational and caused by a number obvious factors...spending less money and providing less incentives for people who will work in these areas to change things will only exacerbate the problem.

Well then why use gubment money to subsidize airline travel to keep these industries afloat and cost affordable? If not for subsidies, airline travel would probably be out of reach for the middle class folk. Poor folk don't fly on a regular basis (leisure or business). There are many amenities and gubment programs that subsidize all sorts of cost for middle and upper middle class families that poor will never be able take advantage of.

https://www.breakpoint.org/commentar...-class-welfare

Rich and poor, all of us in U.S. are government-subsidized, writer says | Dallas Morning News

Most of us so-called makers are the big takers in reality but it's much easier and convenient to blame lowly poor people who have no voice or the ear of our gubment representatives. Wanna cut big gubment spending then axe the benefits/subsidies allocated to the middle class. I highly doubt any politician is going use that as a talking point or slogan, dem or repub, that campaign is dead on arrival.

Get the facts folks, stop blaming poor people, they ain't the problem, not even the white welfare queen.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Tega Cay, SC
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Sure, take benefits away from those that actually pay into the system and give to those that don't. Seems fair.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Why do we need to waste more money to try and make the black population more educated? Everyone gets free education through High School as it is, and just about anyone can get a free ride to a public university with good grades. Some choose to apply themselves and some choose not to.

Also, no on spreading low income housing into higher income areas. That's taking THOUSANDS of dollars out of my pocket due to a likely decrease in property values.

All I hear is how the government needs to do more and how we the taxpayers should be paying for more programs to people who choose not to apply themselves. F@@K that! You want to live a good life? Great! You want to be a failure? Your choice.

This is what gets my blood boiling! Take more out of my pocket to put it in the pocket of someone who's been on welfare for years and years because they're too lazy to go get a job.


There is no need to get your blood boiling. I'm not sure why you're so sensitive to something that would work if everyone worked together on it. I don't foresee that happening because A.) White people would freak out B.) White people would move away which would then lead to a shrinking tax base in which case would harm the lower income anyway. (For the record I'm white)



There is a reason African Americans in this city generally make up the lower income areas. There are either two reasons this is the case. Either 1.) They are an inferior race and black culture promotes laziness and black people want handouts or 2.) A century of discrimination has led to socioeconomic hardships on the African American population and harmful policies have harmed African Americans and it has harmed the future generations and we should promote policies that make sure African American youth have bright futures.

I'm assuming your Trumpism values would choose option 1. That's not race baiting. If you don't believe that, then why don't you offer up a solution like I did? All I said was distribute lower income housing into equal parts of the city and redistrict the schools so they all have equal resources, budgets, etc. If we're already building lower income housing, why would you be so against putting it in say SouthPark, University, Ballantyne, etc. They're actually fairly nice looking and you have to have a clean record to live there and it tends to favor mothers and children. So how does that equate to spending more on the black population?

And your response to me suggesting spread the workforce housing throughout the city and try to make the public schools fairly equal is "F that" ...


I believe in Keynesian Economics.

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Old 08-19-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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I don't know that it was true every where, but where I grew up the Orientals would police them selves , children respect the elders even if they were not of their own family .
At least in the areas I am familiar with, Orientals have the highest respect.
When respect means something, people behave .
From what I hear from some African women , African men are not all that respectable. (few exceptions) but you never much see African adults stopping African kids from misbehaving.
And those adults that try, are beaten.
If the African adults don't get together and change their attitudes about being respectful and nonviolent and correct their children collectively nothing will change.
But there is no reason in this world to subject otherwise well behaved children to disrespectful kids, that only encourage rebellion.
Throwing good apples in with rotten apples, does not make the rotten apples good.
Orientals? What is this 1970?
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Old 08-19-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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Sure, take benefits away from those that actually pay into the system and give to those that don't. Seems fair.
Agreed. America is not a socialist country. We should not be taking from the hard working and giving to the lazy.
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