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No and the Panthers haven't won the Superbowl yet. They have the ingredients for long term success, franchise QB and stellar D. But nothing is guaranteed in the NFL with free agency, etc. If Cam can stay healthy and the team continues to keep a good corps of the D, the team should be playoff competitive for the next 5 years or so. The Panther have been a solid team the last three years (playoff team) and people and pundits tend to forget that he got hurt early in the year and missed a few games and never really return to his old self until late in the season. Thus, the big run to make the playoffs last year and continued success this year. Not sure if anyone will ever have the decade success realized recently by the Pats.
Health is a huge issue. The panthers could have two all time greats with Cam, and Luke, but they play a game that can end their Career in one play. If they both play 10-12 years, it's going to be a great run, and should have a couple Superbowl wins
Perhaps you are unaware that CAM is about to be named The MVP of the league. This former Cam basher will admit when he was wrong. I was. Get off of it. He's great, and he wins a superbowl, he will be considered top 5 in the league. He can do things that Brady only dreams of doing.
Sorry you are not able to comprehend my previous posting about the team and Cam. Take it easy. It is only an opinion anyway. I am a huge Panthers fan and if you don't like my opinion, be sure to lie awake all night worrying about it.
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As a Falcons fan I have been thinking about how long will the Panthers have the NFL on lockdown if they win the SB which Im sure they will win. You all remember how everyone thought the Saints and the Seahawks after they won their ring would be take over the NFL for the next 2-3 seasons and that didnt happen. Do you all think the salary cap or anything else will hinder the Panthers in the next few seasons? Also the 49ers, remember how everyone thought a few years ago that they were going to the SB and they didnt even make it to the playoffs this year. What do you think?
Panthers will be a problem for the next few years until it's time for Luke and Cam's next contract which may make it harder to keep a few players.
They will probably lose Josh Norman but as we see, with a great pass rush can make average talent look great in the secondary.
The only reason Seattle isn't in another SB is because they ran into the new bully on the block. They also had a few guys threatening to sit out on defense and every year Lynch plays hardball with his money.
Only thing that could hurt the Panthers is injuries. They built this team the right way through the draft and then they do a great job of finding older vets who other teams toss to the side.
I don't see this team having any issues for the next 3 or 4 years. Cam has this offense humming with a good right end and a bunch of fools gold at WR.
Panthers will be a problem for the next few years until it's time for Luke and Cam's next contract which may make it harder to keep a few players.
They will probably lose Josh Norman but as we see, with a great pass rush can make average talent look great in the secondary.
The only reason Seattle isn't in another SB is because they ran into the new bully on the block. They also had a few guys threatening to sit out on defense and every year Lynch plays hardball with his money.
Only thing that could hurt the Panthers is injuries. They built this team the right way through the draft and then they do a great job of finding older vets who other teams toss to the side.
I don't see this team having any issues for the next 3 or 4 years. Cam has this offense humming with a good right end and a bunch of fools gold at WR.
Injuries are the key, can't control those. I think they keep norman. I bet they franchise him. at least I hope they do. He is so funny. don't want to see him playing anywhere else.
here we go. Didn't take long for Mr Charlotte is ready for baseball. Stats be damned to show up. Just like the small market baseball teams in most of those cities, it's the same with football. Over half the cities that you mention have had their teams for over 40 years, and most of those cities were bigger than they once were.
I don't understand why people argue about this. Charlotte is considered a small market. No matter how you look at it. It's changing another 10-20 years it won't be, but for now it is.
This has zero correlation to anything that I said. Charlotte has the sixth largest market in the NFL based on a 75 mile radius - what the NFL uses when looking for potential placements. MLB is not the NFL, there is another thread for that.
yeah, Carson didn't look that good vs GB. He had 74 passing yards at half time last week at home and almost served up 4 or 5 INT's.
BA is a great offensive mind but he refuses to give the tackles help and expects the QB to make big throws.
I had a feeling Carson wasn't ready for the challenge.
The Carson Palmer we out here feared showed up Sunday! First, congrats to the Panthers for a very convincing win. Second, Felt you nailed it on Carson. He began the year on fire, but as the season progressed he started to wilt. Now everyone is talking about his hurt finger, but it wasn't a hurt finger that led to the bad decisions he made! In any event, I will be rooting for the Panthers to win SB50!
This isn't answering my question. Yes, I know the MSAs are different, but my question is what does the NFL consider a market? My recollection from 20 years ago when Charlotte first got the Panthers was there had briefly been a consideration of locating the team in Greensboro so that the team would be equally accessible to the Raleigh-Durham area as the Charlotte metro, in addition to the Greensboro/Winston-Salem metro. This expanse is known as the Piedmont Crescent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedmont_Crescent), and is an almost uninterrupted continuation of towns and cities from Raleigh to Charlotte. There are almost 6 million people within the Piedmont Crescent, which is 2 million more than Phoenix. I used to live in Phoenix and it's very different there. You leave the metro area and then it's empty desert for hundreds of miles. NC is not like that. There's town after town after town, then another city. Anyway, ultimately, it was decided that Charlotte would be best because it was the largest of these metros within the Piedmont Crescent, and also was better located to draw in fans from South Carolina (Greenville-Spartanburg is just an hour away, and Columbia 90 minutes away). These were all factors the NFL was looking at, not the Census Bureau. Incidentally, back when Charlotte was being considered for an NFL team, so was Raleigh: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3249873&hl=en
Yes, this is what I'm talking about. Thanks, Big Aristotle. And according to this person (the link below), the NFL includes a 75-mile radius around the city. That radius makes Charlotte the sixth biggest NFL market. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...a_market_size/
Here's another (and probably more accurate) way to consider the Panthers' market size: it's value and revenue generated. This is a ranking from Forbes Magazine of all NFL teams, from the most valuable (the Dallas Cowboys) to the least (the Buffalo Bills), based on revenue generated. The Panthers fall in at around the middle of the pack at #19 out of #32, with a current value of $1.56 billion. And incidentally, the Arizona Cardinals fall behind the Panthers at #20, with a value of $1.54 billion. So while "Mtn. States Resident" might think of the Cardinals as being a much bigger market team compared to the Panthers, based on MSAs of the respective host cities, the revenue generated by these teams indicate otherwise. We do need to consider that population of that Piedmont Crescent, and throughout the Carolinas (not just Charlotte); at least the 75 mile radius around Charlotte -- which is significantly greater than places like Arizona -- because that is the market. And with the Panthers now a winning team, I would expect team loyalty to grow and the team to gain more fans, and thus generate more revenue and move up this list.
Rank Team Current Value 1-Yr Value Change Debt/Value Revenue Operating Income
#1 Dallas Cowboys $4 B 25% 5% $620 M $270 M
#2 New England Patriots $3.2 B 23% 7% $494 M $195 M
#3 Washington Redskins $2.85 B 19% 8% $439 M $124.9 M
#4 New York Giants $2.8 B 33% 18% $400 M $105.2 M
#5 San Francisco 49ers $2.7 B 69% 21% $427 M $123.7 M
#6 New York Jets $2.6 B 44% 23% $383 M $118.4 M
#7 Houston Texans $2.5 B 35% 7% $383 M $114.6 M
#8 Chicago Bears $2.45 B 44% 4% $352 M $85.7 M
#9 Philadelphia Eagles $2.4 B 37% 8% $370 M $88.7 M
#10 Green Bay Packers $1.95 B 42% 6% $347 M $63.3 M
#11 Denver Broncos $1.94 B 34% 6% $346 M $65.8 M
#12 Baltimore Ravens $1.93 B 29% 14% $345 M $59.8 M
#13 Pittsburgh Steelers $1.9 B 41% 11% $334 M $54 M
#14 Indianapolis Colts $1.875 B 34% 3% $321 M $90.1 M
#15 Seattle Seahawks $1.87 B 41% 6% $334 M $43.6 M
#16 Miami Dolphins $1.85 B 42% 19% $322 M $41.5 M
#17 Atlanta Falcons $1.67 B 48% 51% $303 M $25.4 M
#18 Minnesota Vikings $1.59 B 38% 31% $281 M $34.5 M
#19 Carolina Panthers $1.56 B 25% 4% $325 M $77.8 M
#20 Arizona Cardinals $1.54 B 54% 10% $308 M $57.2 M
#21 Kansas City Chiefs $1.53 B 39% 5% $307 M $48.6 M
#22 San Diego Chargers $1.525 B 53% 7% $304 M $64.8 M
#23 New Orleans Saints $1.515 B 36% 5% $322 M $70 M
#24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $1.51 B 23% 12% $313 M $55.2 M
#25 Cleveland Browns $1.5 B 34% 13% $313 M $34.7 M
#26 Tennessee Titans $1.49 B 28% 10% $318 M $50.5 M
#27 Jacksonville Jaguars $1.48 B 53% 7% $315 M $67 M
#28 St Louis Rams $1.45 B 56% 8% $290 M $34 M
#29 Cincinnati Bengals $1.445 B 46% 7% $296 M $55.5 M
#30 Detroit Lions $1.44 B 50% 19% $298 M $36.1 M
#31 Oakland Raiders $1.43 B 47% 14% $285 M $39 M
#32 Buffalo Bills $1.4 B 50% 14% $296 M $44.2 M
As a Falcons fan I have been thinking about how long will the Panthers have the NFL on lockdown if they win the SB which Im sure they will win. You all remember how everyone thought the Saints and the Seahawks after they won their ring would be take over the NFL for the next 2-3 seasons and that didnt happen. Do you all think the salary cap or anything else will hinder the Panthers in the next few seasons? Also the 49ers, remember how everyone thought a few years ago that they were going to the SB and they didnt even make it to the playoffs this year. What do you think?
It's all about catching lightning in bottle, when it comes to the NFL, with very few consistent teams over a long period of time, except maybe the Patriots, and even they hadn't won another SB for a long time (10 years) until last year. The Saints definitely peaked when they won it years ago, and the Seahawks might have peaked as well, but came awfully close to winning back-to-back SB.
That's why I would embrace it as much as you can, live for the day and enjoy the ride, because you never know when your team will get this chance again. The Panthers could win this Superbowl and not be back again for another 10, 15 or 20 years, or they might be able to win this Superbowl and another over the next 3 to 5 years, you never know.
Here's another (and probably more accurate) way to consider the Panthers' market size: it's value and revenue generated. This is a ranking from Forbes Magazine of all NFL teams, from the most valuable (the Dallas Cowboys) to the least (the Buffalo Bills), based on revenue generated. The Panthers fall in at around the middle of the pack at #19 out of #32, with a current value of $1.56 billion. And incidentally, the Arizona Cardinals fall behind the Panthers at #20, with a value of $1.54 billion. So while "Mtn. States Resident" might think of the Cardinals as being a much bigger market team compared to the Panthers, based on MSAs of the respective host cities, the revenue generated by these teams indicate otherwise. We do need to consider that population of that Piedmont Crescent, and throughout the Carolinas (not just Charlotte); at least the 75 mile radius around Charlotte -- which is significantly greater than places like Arizona -- because that is the market. And with the Panthers now a winning team, I would expect team loyalty to grow and the team to gain more fans, and thus generate more revenue and move up this list.
Rank Team Current Value 1-Yr Value Change Debt/Value Revenue Operating Income
#1 Dallas Cowboys $4 B 25% 5% $620 M $270 M
#2 New England Patriots $3.2 B 23% 7% $494 M $195 M
#3 Washington Redskins $2.85 B 19% 8% $439 M $124.9 M
#4 New York Giants $2.8 B 33% 18% $400 M $105.2 M
#5 San Francisco 49ers $2.7 B 69% 21% $427 M $123.7 M
#6 New York Jets $2.6 B 44% 23% $383 M $118.4 M
#7 Houston Texans $2.5 B 35% 7% $383 M $114.6 M
#8 Chicago Bears $2.45 B 44% 4% $352 M $85.7 M
#9 Philadelphia Eagles $2.4 B 37% 8% $370 M $88.7 M
#10 Green Bay Packers $1.95 B 42% 6% $347 M $63.3 M
#11 Denver Broncos $1.94 B 34% 6% $346 M $65.8 M
#12 Baltimore Ravens $1.93 B 29% 14% $345 M $59.8 M
#13 Pittsburgh Steelers $1.9 B 41% 11% $334 M $54 M
#14 Indianapolis Colts $1.875 B 34% 3% $321 M $90.1 M
#15 Seattle Seahawks $1.87 B 41% 6% $334 M $43.6 M
#16 Miami Dolphins $1.85 B 42% 19% $322 M $41.5 M
#17 Atlanta Falcons $1.67 B 48% 51% $303 M $25.4 M
#18 Minnesota Vikings $1.59 B 38% 31% $281 M $34.5 M
#19 Carolina Panthers $1.56 B 25% 4% $325 M $77.8 M
#20 Arizona Cardinals $1.54 B 54% 10% $308 M $57.2 M
#21 Kansas City Chiefs $1.53 B 39% 5% $307 M $48.6 M
#22 San Diego Chargers $1.525 B 53% 7% $304 M $64.8 M
#23 New Orleans Saints $1.515 B 36% 5% $322 M $70 M
#24 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $1.51 B 23% 12% $313 M $55.2 M
#25 Cleveland Browns $1.5 B 34% 13% $313 M $34.7 M
#26 Tennessee Titans $1.49 B 28% 10% $318 M $50.5 M
#27 Jacksonville Jaguars $1.48 B 53% 7% $315 M $67 M
#28 St Louis Rams $1.45 B 56% 8% $290 M $34 M
#29 Cincinnati Bengals $1.445 B 46% 7% $296 M $55.5 M
#30 Detroit Lions $1.44 B 50% 19% $298 M $36.1 M
#31 Oakland Raiders $1.43 B 47% 14% $285 M $39 M
#32 Buffalo Bills $1.4 B 50% 14% $296 M $44.2 M
this is a better rep, of where the panthers rank. To the posters saying they were 6th, it was from some reddit post. The reddit user came up with it. It was extremely flawed, and not accurate at all.
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In any event, I will be rooting for the Panthers to win SB50!
