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The most racist people are black people. When answered with anonymity even black people say that blacks are the most racist. This is the reality we face today. The problem is that there's one standard for a black person and one for a white person. Racism in America exists, but it's not what the liberals want you to think it is. (This is coming from a person that isn't a right wing conservative person either).
I'm going to try to make it easier for you to see your error. The questions in the survey were:
1* Are most white Americans racist?
2* Are most black Americans racist?
3* Are most Hispanic Americans racist?
4* Have you ever been accused of being a racist?
5* Does the term racism refer to any discrimination by people of one race against another or does racism refer only to discrimination by white people against minorities?
6* How would you rate race relations in America today - excellent, good, fair or poor?
7* Are race relations in America today getting better or worse?
8* Is it possible for people of different races in America to have an open and honest discussion about racial issues?
9* In political terms, do you consider yourself very conservative, somewhat conservative, moderate, somewhat liberal, or very liberal?
Most respondents answered in a pretty optimistic light. "Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American Adults think most black Americans are racist, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey."
One can deduce that another way of saying this is 63% (the majority) of American Adults think most black Americans are not racist.
The survey questions do not help answer the question "Who is the most racist?" Can you see how you misinterpreted this? The questions are asking whether the respondent thinks the majority of a race is racist.
Either way- it has nothing to do with segregation in CMS. You should start a different thread for this topic.
When Charlotte-Mecklenburg eliminated race as a factor in student assignment, it not only meant less diverse schools; it also created a feedback loop that made the problem worse. Families with the means—most often white families—started to move into whiter neighborhoods, where they knew their kids would go to whiter schools. As a result of the relationship between race and wealth, the social, political, and economic capital became ever more concentrated in a small number of very white neighborhoods."
I greatly appreciate your participation on this forum; the thought provoking and lively, but respectful, debate that you bring .
So I say this not to criticize you, but to scorn the premise that the article draws forth.
I do realize that Charlotte is in the Southeast, thus the prevailing two dominant ethnic groups: Black and White. I say this to contrast the ethnic groups that made up the Northeast, which have been far more "global" in scope.
Even so, be it in Charlotte, or be it elsewhere, various institutions continually highlight the subject of discord between the races.
The premise, of course, is that Whites don't want to be involved with Blacks, thus they tend to segregate in one form or another.
If this were so, I would expect Whites to self segregate against any and all ethnic groups, unlike their own.
Experience has shown that not to be the case, and I wonder why?
The below communities were once predominantly White, yet the recent decade (or two) have brought Indians into the below communities. Yet the Whites did not self segregate; the neighborhoods are integrated, and homogeneous. Examples:
Third example: a community that was once predominantly White, now has a very significant segment of the population from both China and India. Home values continue to rise. No "White flight:"
Each and every time a phenomenon of racial discord is recorded, it's expressed as a division between Black and White.
I see no White flight from Ballantyne, because of the Indian folks that live there. Haven't you ever wondered why?
I see no White flight from the Stallings/Matthews area. Stallings has a HUGE Chinese supermarket, with enough people to support the market and the items they sell. Yet the activity hasn't driven Whites from the area. Why?
Both Gastonia and Monroe have significant Latino minorities. I don't know that Whites have sought to self segregate from these two cities.
Therefore, if the phenomenon of White racism is as these papers, institutions, and think tanks have said, *why* do they confine the conflicts that Whites have with one group of people?
My point is not to suggest that there's something wrong with the Black community, but to suggest that maybe some of these "studies" grossly distort the sociological relationships that Whites have with folks of different cultures.
You'll always have a handful of ignorant people in any ethnic/racial group, but they're only a handful. Nevermind the fact that there are many White folks like myself, who value diversity. If I had children, I would want them to have the benefit of growing up in an ethnically diverse community, where they could glean the best of what the world's cultures have to offer .
I greatly appreciate your participation on this forum; the thought provoking and lively, but respectful, debate that you bring .
So I say this not to criticize you, but to scorn the premise that the article draws forth.
I do realize that Charlotte is in the Southeast, thus the prevailing two dominant ethnic groups: Black and White. I say this to contrast the ethnic groups that made up the Northeast, which have been far more "global" in scope.
Even so, be it in Charlotte, or be it elsewhere, various institutions continually highlight the subject of discord between the races.
The premise, of course, is that Whites don't want to be involved with Blacks, thus they tend to segregate in one form or another.
If this were so, I would expect Whites to self segregate against any and all ethnic groups, unlike their own.
Experience has shown that not to be the case, and I wonder why?
The below communities were once predominantly White, yet the recent decade (or two) have brought Indians into the below communities. Yet the Whites did not self segregate; the neighborhoods are integrated, and homogeneous. Examples:
Third example: a community that was once predominantly White, now has a very significant segment of the population from both China and India. Home values continue to rise. No "White flight:"
Each and every time a phenomenon of racial discord is recorded, it's expressed as a division between Black and White.
I see no White flight from Ballantyne, because of the Indian folks that live there. Haven't you ever wondered why?
I see no White flight from the Stallings/Matthews area. Stallings has a HUGE Chinese supermarket, with enough people to support the market and the items they sell. Yet the activity hasn't driven Whites from the area. Why?
Both Gastonia and Monroe have significant Latino minorities. I don't know that Whites have sought to self segregate from these two cities.
Therefore, if the phenomenon of White racism is as these papers, institutions, and think tanks have said, *why* do they confine the conflicts that Whites have with one group of people?
My point is not to suggest that there's something wrong with the Black community, but to suggest that maybe some of these "studies" grossly distort the sociological relationships that Whites have with folks of different cultures.
You'll always have a handful of ignorant people in any ethnic/racial group, but they're only a handful. Nevermind the fact that there are many White folks like myself, who value diversity. If I had children, I would want them to have the benefit of growing up in an ethnically diverse community, where they could glean the best of what the world's cultures have to offer .
Thanks NDL. I don't think the resegregation of these schools is a result of deliberate racism in most cases.
Arguing over why it occurs isn't the focus, IMO. This thread has followed a line of reasoning of "it's not my fault" or "it's not my problem". What's clear is that a school that is 99% poor and black has a very low chance of success. Our community suffers when these kids suffer. In these schools, where many of the kids don't have as many able bodied advocates, teachers are less qualified, resources are less adequate, conditions for learning are worse. Increasing diversity in these schools increases conditions for learning. And doing so doesn't harm white kids.
You are correct that there is a specific fear of blacks that you don't see when comparing to other races, but I think this observation just shows that fear/taboo of black integration is real. Suburban communities do, in fact, benefit in many perspectives from a reputation of being segregated, but I'm not interested in arguing this point as it's more focused on why it happens and less on what we should do about it.
Just admitting there is a problem and it's unacceptable for some of our Charlotte youth to be stuck in dead end schools seems to be step one. The sad fact is that many citizens think the sorry status is earned.
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Thanks NDL. I don't think the resegregation of these schools is a result of deliberate racism in most cases.
Arguing over why it occurs isn't the focus, IMO. This thread has followed a line of reasoning of "it's not my fault" or "it's not my problem". What's clear is that a school that is 99% poor and black has a very low chance of success. Our community suffers when these kids suffer. In these schools, where many of the kids don't have as many able bodied advocates, teachers are less qualified, resources are less adequate, conditions for learning are worse. Increasing diversity in these schools increases conditions for learning. And doing so doesn't harm white kids.
You are correct that there is a specific fear of blacks that you don't see when comparing to other races, but I think this observation just shows that fear/taboo of black integration is real. Suburban communities do, in fact, benefit in many perspectives from a reputation of being segregated, but I'm not interested in arguing this point as it's more focused on why it happens and less on what we should do about it.
Just admitting there is a problem and it's unacceptable for some of our Charlotte youth to be stuck in dead end schools seems to be step one. The sad fact is that many citizens think the sorry status is earned.
The topic of those schools in Charlotte was discussed more than once long before you joined. The general consensus was to point the finger of blame at unconcerned parents.
A few years ago I was talking to a black neighbor. She started school before the schools were integrated, then switched to integrated schools. She told me that she was conflicted about integrated schools, having had 3 children go all the way through integrated schools. She wasn't rich, but was very involved with the school that her youngest attended.
I think that you've picked up talking points & you grind away on them. There is such a thing as a happy medium.
The topic of those schools in Charlotte was discussed more than once long before you joined. The general consensus was to point the finger of blame at unconcerned parents.
A few years ago I was talking to a black neighbor. She started school before the schools were integrated, then switched to integrated schools. She told me that she was conflicted about integrated schools, having had 3 children go all the way through integrated schools. She wasn't rich, but was very involved with the school that her youngest attended.
I think that you've picked up talking points & you grind away on them. There is such a thing as a happy medium.
Blaming "unconcerned parents" is indicative of the disconnect and the lazy reliance on victim blaming and false assumptions of our neighbors. The false image many have of the home lives and circumstances impacting our most vulnerable citizens is a big part of the problem. Many take the stability of their lives for granted and really have no idea what some of these kids are going through. Homelessness, abuse, neglect, etc. We need more empathy and understanding to make progress. Living in an increasingly segregated community makes this more difficult.
You're right that there are many great parents in the schools that are struggling and many that believe education is crucial.
I went to West Charlotte and watched it resegregate during my time there. I graduated from college with a degree in education. I've studied the history of education in the state and CMS in particular. I taught in a title 1 school in Charlotte. I didn't "pick up talking points" as much as I've lived and studied the issue.
I don't expect to win over many on the issue that are set on ignoring the problem or chalking it up as earned plight.
What's clear is that a school that is 99% poor and black has a very low chance of success. Our community suffers when these kids suffer. In these schools, where many of the kids don't have as many able bodied advocates, teachers are less qualified, resources are less adequate, conditions for learning are worse.
I couldn't agree more.
What kills me are those folks who cannot see that the problem won't go away by ignoring it.
Society WILL pay, one way or the other. The question then becomes "in what way do you want to pay?"
"Law & Order" types might balk at the thought of spending extra on "head start" type programs, while ignoring the fact that incarcerating a criminal costs a whole lot more.
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You are correct that there is a specific fear of blacks that you don't see when comparing to other races, but I think this observation just shows that fear/taboo of black integration is real.
I was making the exact opposite point .
The narrative - which comes in many ways - says that Whites are inherently racist, and that this "angst" comes in many forms, and is destructive. I think this "angst" is over reported, and offered up examples where Whites live in harmony with many other ethnic groups.
This narrative ignores the gentrification process that spans the US, which is proof that Whites value diversity.
The surefire way to help low performing students is to significantly reduce class sizes, so that the kids get the individual attention they need to succeed.
Youth programs are also helpful, in that they keep kids off of the street.
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Blaming "unconcerned parents" is indicative of the disconnect and the lazy reliance on victim blaming and false assumptions of our neighbors. The false image many have of the home lives and circumstances impacting our most vulnerable citizens is a big part of the problem. Many take the stability of their lives for granted and really have no idea what some of these kids are going through. Homelessness, abuse, neglect, etc. We need more empathy and understanding to make progress. Living in an increasingly segregated community makes this more difficult.
You're right that there are many great parents in the schools that are struggling and many that believe education is crucial.
I went to West Charlotte and watched it resegregate during my time there. I graduated from college with a degree in education. I've studied the history of education in the state and CMS in particular. I taught in a title 1 school in Charlotte. I didn't "pick up talking points" as much as I've lived and studied the issue.
I don't expect to win over many on the issue that are set on ignoring the problem or chalking it up as earned plight.
I don't think that you pay any attention to other views & then label them. I told you about a black woman who told me that she was conflicted about integrated schools. You brushed it off because it doesn't fit with your talking points. That's why you get the responses that you get. Respecting other points of views is a two-way street.
I don't think that you pay any attention to other views & then label them. I told you about a black woman who told me that she was conflicted about integrated schools. You brushed it off because it doesn't fit with your talking points. That's why you get the responses that you get. Respecting other points of views is a two-way street.
I don't know what to take away from your one off encounter. What is your point? Assuming her opinion is that segregated schools are better, what weight should we give it? Indeed there are many opinions, but some are more valuable or insightful than others. If she thinks segregated schools are better for blacks she is certainly in the minority and incorrect.
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