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Providence, Audrey Kell, South Meck, Butler, and Marvin Ridge may all have good test scores but the kids are miserable.
Some might be miserable because their parents are pushing them hard, but I'd take that over parents that don't care. Not sure there's a right answer, but many adults were pushed hard as kids and appreciate that they were.
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The schools feed in from mostly good neighbourhoods but the parents are cattier than the students and don't give them the love they need, they just throw money at the problem.
Definitely agree with the first part. This is the crowd of parents calling the teacher to demand why their snowflake kid got a B+ when he/she is an "A-student." Definitely to the detriment of the kid.
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Three of my children went to these schools and plenty of parents I know sent their kids to these schools, and they all say the same thing. The schools push them HARD for good grades and it kills them. There is a ton of bullying and drug use at all of these schools.
There is bullying and drug use at every school. At rich school it just gets brought up more because it's less acceptable.
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There have been two kids who committed suicide from Providence in the past 4 years, not to mention the obvious eating disorder epidemics. Grades aren't everything, the health of our children matter.
There's certainly a middle ground, but I personally believe there's a lot to be gained from learning time-management, good study habits, and personal discipline in high school before going off to college.
There are a lot of unsubstantiated generalizations in this thread. Any parent that focuses on the largest variable in the learning equation (the child) will likely be satisfied with the CMS offering. Charlotte Mecklenburg schools provide a system we should be proud to call our own and improve as a community. It has always been and should continue to be a huge selling point for Charlotte as one of the most family friendly cities in the country.
somehow I doubt you have kids...and if you do, I'm surprise to see this comment coming from a responsible parent.
I think he means a number on a scale of 1 - 10 from an arbitrary business that uses their own methodology for calculating a number on that scale doesn't necessarily indicate how effective the teachers and administration are at a school. Some schools with lower rankings have better teachers and administration, whereas some schools with really good rankings can have horrendous teachers but the students score well simply because the kids are motivated from home (not school).
The question is.... does the school actually make a school "good" or is a "good" school really just a walled off environment of similarly motivated kids from households where parents make their kids do homework, hire tutors, etc... You could throw the worst teacher in the classroom at the "good" school and the kids will still probably pass the AP test because they'd be studying at home even harder to make up for the teacher. So is the school good or are the students good?
I think he means a number on a scale of 1 - 10 from an arbitrary business that uses their own methodology for calculating a number on that scale doesn't necessarily indicate how effective the teachers and administration are at a school. Some schools with lower rankings have better teachers and administration, whereas some schools with really good rankings can have horrendous teachers but the students score well simply because the kids are motivated from home (not school).
The question is.... does the school actually make a school "good" or is a "good" school really just a walled off environment of similarly motivated kids from households where parents make their kids do homework, hire tutors, etc... You could throw the worst teacher in the classroom at the "good" school and the kids will still probably pass the AP test because they'd be studying at home even harder to make up for the teacher. So is the school good or are the students good?
I'm not sure the variables you speak about are independent. I expect you'll agree that in schools when the parents are involved and motivate their kids at home
I expect you'll agree that parents who are involved and motivate their kids are much are much more likely to be vocal about bad teachers at their kid's schools...and even more so they're much more likely to move the family to a "good" school district in the first place.
I'm not sure the variables you speak about are independent. I expect you'll agree that in schools when the parents are involved and motivate their kids at home
I expect you'll agree that parents who are involved and motivate their kids are much are much more likely to be vocal about bad teachers at their kid's schools...and even more so they're much more likely to move the family to a "good" school district in the first place.
Are parents the best critics to determine teacher effectiveness?
What is your background in the education field? Is your experience based on teaching, administrating or as a student/parent?
I think he means a number on a scale of 1 - 10 from an arbitrary business that uses their own methodology for calculating a number on that scale doesn't necessarily indicate how effective the teachers and administration are at a school. Some schools with lower rankings have better teachers and administration, whereas some schools with really good rankings can have horrendous teachers but the students score well simply because the kids are motivated from home (not school).
The question is.... does the school actually make a school "good" or is a "good" school really just a walled off environment of similarly motivated kids from households where parents make their kids do homework, hire tutors, etc... You could throw the worst teacher in the classroom at the "good" school and the kids will still probably pass the AP test because they'd be studying at home even harder to make up for the teacher. So is the school good or are the students good?
Great post. The state adopted letter grade system for is faulty for the same reasons.
I think he means a number on a scale of 1 - 10 from an arbitrary business that uses their own methodology for calculating a number on that scale doesn't necessarily indicate how effective the teachers and administration are at a school. Some schools with lower rankings have better teachers and administration, whereas some schools with really good rankings can have horrendous teachers but the students score well simply because the kids are motivated from home (not school).
The question is.... does the school actually make a school "good" or is a "good" school really just a walled off environment of similarly motivated kids from households where parents make their kids do homework, hire tutors, etc... You could throw the worst teacher in the classroom at the "good" school and the kids will still probably pass the AP test because they'd be studying at home even harder to make up for the teacher. So is the school good or are the students good?
There is truth that many teachers are not very good, but that is applicable to both high & low performance schools. I'm still shocked that we let teachers with no math/science degree background teach math/science, no wonder so many people are confused when it comes to science since they lack a good basic understanding.
Thing is how good a teacher performs most time it is outside of parents control, at least in the public educational system.
However what we can control as parents is to to keep the kids motivated to their ability and make sure we are being good examples to our young kids. Next thing is to make sure we control who their friends are (the best we can) since at young age they are very influenced by friends with bad habits.
"Tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are" - as the saying goes.
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