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Old 10-10-2017, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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When outsiders understand what the whole issue was about, even the progressives in other states won't understand. I know, I explained it to people in progressive cities and they weren't aware that it was just a stupid self serving ploy by a failure of a mayor and it served no real purpose. Anotherwords, it couldn't have resolved a problem when a problem didn't exist. Believe me, the world has gotten over it. You don't have to be conservative to see that. It did very little to practically "no" damage to our economy. The head of Paypal is gay so do you seriously think that they didn't come here because of HB2. No way. I don't really care where they go. Charlotte would be nice, I guess. I don't want a bunch of left wing snowflakes though.
No.

HB2 went beyond which bathroom people could use, so if that's what you were explaining to people in "progressive cities", you were wrong.

You should educate yourself a bit more, snowflake:

18 Questions, 18 Answers: The real facts behind House Bill 2 | NC Justice Center

And if HB2 was not impacting the economy of NC, why did they repeal it?

And yes, PayPal stated they withdrew their plans to locate their global operations center with 400 jobs good paying jobs here specifically because of HB2. Perhaps you don't care where PayPal went, but those were 400 jobs that Charlotte did not have to vie for with another city.

Not to mention the NBA All Star game, NCAA events, musical acts, meetings, conventions and other companies that specifically stated that HB2 was the reason they were not coming to NC. I guess they were all left wing snowflakes as well.
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:42 AM
 
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And yes, PayPal stated they withdrew their plans to locate their global operations center with 400 jobs good paying jobs here specifically because of HB2. Perhaps you don't care where PayPal went, but those were 400 jobs that Charlotte did not have to vie for with another city.
They didn't go to another city. PayPal never announced another city to open a global operations center and instead has been laying people off at their existing operations centers in Chandler, AZ and Omaha, NE. A good amount of senior management and VP's got laid off at the ops centers in their latest August layoff. My guess is they wait a while until they expand again and need a second site after their re-organization that occurred after HB2 and the project cancellation. The people that even determined to go to Charlotte probably all got fired!
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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No.

HB2 went beyond which bathroom people could use, so if that's what you were explaining to people in "progressive cities", you were wrong.

You should educate yourself a bit more, snowflake:

18 Questions, 18 Answers: The real facts behind House Bill 2 | NC Justice Center

And if HB2 was not impacting the economy of NC, why did they repeal it?

And yes, PayPal stated they withdrew their plans to locate their global operations center with 400 jobs good paying jobs here specifically because of HB2. Perhaps you don't care where PayPal went, but those were 400 jobs that Charlotte did not have to vie for with another city.

Not to mention the NBA All Star game, NCAA events, musical acts, meetings, conventions and other companies that specifically stated that HB2 was the reason they were not coming to NC. I guess they were all left wing snowflakes as well.
You're wrong about Paypal. You don't know the real story. Overall, not significant issue, just a major annoyance. Yes, they were "left wing snowflakes." Only a moron would believe that a basketball player with the NCAA would give a rat's #ss about the issue. The musical acts were not missed. Overall, it was a good way to get out of a contract, like Springsteen in Greensboro.
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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They didn't go to another city. PayPal never announced another city to open a global operations center and instead has been laying people off at their existing operations centers in Chandler, AZ and Omaha, NE. A good amount of senior management and VP's got laid off at the ops centers in their latest August layoff. My guess is they wait a while until they expand again and need a second site after their re-organization that occurred after HB2 and the project cancellation. The people that even determined to go to Charlotte probably all got fired!
Since we're dealing with guesses and probables we can guess if were to expand again they probably would have come to Charlotte since they already had the plans to do so.
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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You're wrong about Paypal. You don't know the real story. Overall, not significant issue, just a major annoyance. Yes, they were "left wing snowflakes." Only a moron would believe that a basketball player with the NCAA would give a rat's #ss about the issue. The musical acts were not missed. Overall, it was a good way to get out of a contract, like Springsteen in Greensboro.
Who said the "basketball player with the NCAA would give a rat's #ss about the issue"?

First off, do you know what the that college basketball players are not "with the NCAA"? That the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) is an organization that represents college athletes and sponsors championships and manages programs that benefit student-athletes? And these championships and programs are not just basketball, right? And all of these championships and programs generate revenue for the sites where they are held, right?

Second, you don't think college athletes (not just basketball players) are not smart or caring enough to consider the issues in HB2? That they only live in a sports bubble?

Third, you may have not missed the musical acts or the NBA All Star Game/Weekend, but those venues missed the revenue from those shows. Business in those areas missed the fans spending money at their establishments. In the case of the NBA All Star Game/Weekend event, Charlotte also missed the national exposure that an event like that brings to a city.

Overall, I see you have a very limited way of thinking.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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So back to Amazon, has the city actually done anything in the pursuit of Amazon?

According to this article - https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/0...on-hq2-ranked/ , not really.

I was in Birmingham this week, the giant Amazon boxes are actually kinda cool. I know some might say Birmingham isn't a real contender but a different article actually has some data to support it - https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon...alent-fastest/
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:54 AM
 
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So back to Amazon, has the city actually done anything in the pursuit of Amazon?

According to this article - https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/0...on-hq2-ranked/ , not really.

I was in Birmingham this week, the giant Amazon boxes are actually kinda cool. I know some might say Birmingham isn't a real contender but a different article actually has some data to support it - https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon...alent-fastest/
I saw this news article the other day.

CharlotteisPrime.com website launched for amazon bid | Charlotte Observer
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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So back to Amazon, has the city actually done anything in the pursuit of Amazon?

According to this article - https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/0...on-hq2-ranked/ , not really.

I was in Birmingham this week, the giant Amazon boxes are actually kinda cool. I know some might say Birmingham isn't a real contender but a different article actually has some data to support it - https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon...alent-fastest/
A lot of the cities with no chance like Birmingham are having to do more gimmicks to get attention (which is good for their economy in general to get a news article about their gimmick). It also makes their citizens feel like "Hey at least we tried."

Cities like Charlotte, Boston, Raleigh, Denver, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Baltimore, Houston, etc... that have better chances are spending their time putting together the RFP response and answering the questions, putting together the report, coming up with subsidy solutions, transportation solutions, etc.... That's why all the marketing gimmicks have largely been from metros with less than a 1 million people rather than the bigger cities.

Charlotte will be releasing a promotional video next week, but their primary focus is putting together the best RFP answers possible. Hopefully for Birmingham, they do more than just put up architectural boxes and can show Amazon they have a large enough educated labor force and can get flights at their tiny airport (just 60 flights per day) to the West Coast and Northeast. Currently the entire Birmingham metro area has just 26,000 people working in the Professional, Scientific & Technical Services category of the labor market. In addition to hiring almost every single person currently in Birmingham in the tech industry, they would have to import an extra 25,000 people to get to full build out and 50,000 workers.

If you compared Birmingham's Amazon site to Charlotte you will notice one big difference: Data and facts.
Birmingham's site is just citizens taking pictures with boxes. There is nothing on the labor force, education, university graduates, transportation, etc... http://bringatob.com/help-out/

Charlotte's site includes awards and recognition for the city, our millennial growth rate, IT growth rate, university graduates with computer science degrees, airport statistics, etc... The data driven approach is what Amazon is looking for in the RFP. For example, Charlotte directly answers the RFP questions regarding airport transportation and flights to Seattle, San Fran, New York, and DC.
http://www.charlotteisprime.com/inde...&category=Main

"As the sixth most active airport in the world, Charlotte Douglas Airport provides easy and affordable access to and from the region.

700 daily flights to more than 150 destinations
3 daily nonstop flights to Seattle
44 daily nonstop flights to New York
4 daily nonstop flights to San Francisco
24 daily nonstop flights to Washington D.C.
8 nonstop European destinations"

Birmingham likely doesn't want to talk about their airport situation.

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Old 10-13-2017, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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I'm more concern with where do we get the 10 billions that Amazon expects as incentive (corporate welfare)
No need to be concerned. Phil Berger's feelings towards incentives are the same as those towards Roy Cooper. If he wasn't willing to loosen the purse strings to lure Volvo, which was swiped by pro-business Nikki Haley, there's no chance in hell of him willing to do so for Amazon. That same sentiment in the General Assembly also practically killed the film industry in Wilmington.

NC has no chance of getting Amazon.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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A lot of the cities with no chance like Birmingham are having to do more gimmicks to get attention (which is good for their economy in general to get a news article about their gimmick). It also makes their citizens feel like "Hey at least we tried."

Cities like Charlotte, Boston, Raleigh, Denver, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Baltimore, Houston, etc... that have better chances are spending their time putting together the RFP response and answering the questions, putting together the report, coming up with subsidy solutions, transportation solutions, etc.... That's why all the marketing gimmicks have largely been from metros with less than a 1 million people rather than the bigger cities.

Charlotte will be releasing a promotional video next week, but their primary focus is putting together the best RFP answers possible. Hopefully for Birmingham, they do more than just put up architectural boxes and can show Amazon they have a large enough educated labor force and can get flights at their tiny airport (just 60 flights per day) to the West Coast and Northeast. Currently the entire Birmingham metro area has just 26,000 people working in the Professional, Scientific & Technical Services category of the labor market. In addition to hiring almost every single person currently in Birmingham in the tech industry, they would have to import an extra 25,000 people to get to full build out and 50,000 workers.

If you compared Birmingham's Amazon site to Charlotte you will notice one big difference: Data and facts.
Birmingham's site is just citizens taking pictures with boxes. There is nothing on the labor force, education, university graduates, transportation, etc... Help Out | Bring Amazon to Birmingham

Charlotte's site includes awards and recognition for the city, our millennial growth rate, IT growth rate, university graduates with computer science degrees, airport statistics, etc... The data driven approach is what Amazon is looking for in the RFP. For example, Charlotte directly answers the RFP questions regarding airport transportation and flights to Seattle, San Fran, New York, and DC.
Get The Facts

"As the sixth most active airport in the world, Charlotte Douglas Airport provides easy and affordable access to and from the region.

700 daily flights to more than 150 destinations
3 daily nonstop flights to Seattle
44 daily nonstop flights to New York
4 daily nonstop flights to San Francisco
24 daily nonstop flights to Washington D.C.
8 nonstop European destinations"

Birmingham likely doesn't want to talk about their airport situation.
It's got good information, but Charlotteisprime.com looks like it was made by a high school senior.
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