Charlotte's Gang Problem - Shocking Discovery (hotels, purchase, public school)

[anifani821]

Originally Posted by TheEmissary

ani - After reading the "I hate Lawyers" thread, it appears that CMPD seems to take speeding tickets more seriously than robbery. What a misplaced "sense of justice" as well as priorities!

I guess HP and CMPD feel they at least have some control over traffic violations. I think police all over this country feel they can't do much about gangs and young thugs. Catch and Release and Hug-a-Thug at work . . . and must be pretty darn demoralizing to the police department . . .

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by LAMF

Here is where we are going to go separate ways, philosophically

I don't think it is acceptable to prosecute anybody based on internet postings unless the actual posting is criminal in and of itself. In other words, posting a picture of a moron holding a gun and making the Star Trek live long and prosper sign is not a crime, no matter what the picture represents, while posting a picture of child pornography is actually a crime that can and should be prosecuted. Believe it or not, posting a picture of a bundle of money and bags of drugs is not illegal either.

On the same note, I am uncomfortable with most racketeering laws, in that verified membership in any organization in and of itself should not be criminal. We simply need to catch criminals committing crimes and prosecute them for the crimes they commit. Then we need to, as a community, have a criminal justice system that enforces our laws and does not use plea bargaining as a method of saving money.

The ACLU does a great job of making sure that we do not violate anyone's civil liberties ... even those that are offensive and dangerous. It is very important that we have watchdog groups such as this to prevent our government from overstepping its bounds (which it does anyway). If we are to maintain a free society, each of us, including the dirt-baggiest of the dirtbags, must not have our rights violated, even under the guise of protecting society.

Regarding photos on the internet, I would mostly agree with you. However, many of these thugs are under the age of 21 and thus unable to legally own firearms (save a shotgun). So at the very least, the possession of a firearm in a photo would be enough for probable cause to search the individual accordingly. This same logic would also apply the use or exploitation of drugs in the photos. Yes, we are on the same page philosophically concerning drug criminalization, but I'm sure you would agree that these individuals should be targeted if nothing more than to take them off the streets (leading to taking the violence off the streets).

No argument regarding the penal system.

About the ACLU, I'm actually surprised with your philosophy. In theory, such an organization would be quite beneficial and essential to preventing the government from overstepping its boundaries. But let's be honest here--the ACLU has likely done more to destroy this country more than any formal organization in our nation's history. I'm sure you are aware of the parallels that exist between communism and the objectives of the ACLU. The following is an article from Worldnetdaily and obviously from a Christian perspective. But, if you would for the moment, take who's perspective out of the equation and only consider the claims equating the goals of communism and the ACLU. I know you will disagree with a couple of the claims (only because I think you are a strict Constitutionalist and 100% Libertarian ). Nevertheless, they are one in the same. I used this article because I think it sums it up well, but there is plenty of supporting evidence on the web and for that matter, The Communist Manifesto (I still got to make time to read it all myself). FWIW, Jason Lewis speaks very well on this subject (I'm sure you know him).

Anyways, I enjoy these conversations with you LAMF, and very interested to read your thoughts on this topic.

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Posted: December 03, 2004
1:00 am Eastern

By Devvy Kidd
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

* Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

* Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

* Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

* Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

* Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

* Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

* Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

* Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

* Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

* Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

* Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

* Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:

Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.

No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU. Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.

If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.

There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for "civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district during the month of December – make the most of it.

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Devvy Kidd authored the booklet, "Why A Bankrupt America and Blind Loyalty," which has over 2 million copies in distribution. She has been a guest more than 1,600 times on radio shows, run for Congress twice and is a highly sought after public speaker. To learn more about Devvy, please visit her website.

[mullman]

The police that I know are more frustrated than we are.

I find it frustrating that some people on this board seem to be more upset with speeding than crime.
If you want to speed be my guest, it is your choice, I move right and let anyone pass who wants to go faster than I may choose.
As someone that loves cars and has driven on closed tracks and flat out many times on the Autobahn, it sometimes is hard to drive the posted limit - I understand.
Speeding and reckless driving are very much mutually exclusive.
The police and/or darwinism will get the fools.

But senseless crime against property and people is much more serious to me - I have zero patience for it.

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by PeytonC

...I would love to spend 2 minutes with them, no guns or knives.

haha...I thought the exact same thing! Some of those guys would be nothing but pretzels by the time I got done with them...

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by Frankie117

Such is the price we pay for hands-off or 'Liberal' parenting.

Indeed.

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by mullman

...darwinism will get the fools.

I tried to just rep you for this comment, but gotta tell you here that it's priceless!!

[Hoagie58]

Have to say that I am very disappointed in this "decriminalization of drugs" conversation. My biggest argument, and trust me, I have plenty, is how you would propose keeping narcotics away from children? Am I to believe that you all want a bunch of 12 year old potheads running around? Would it be ok for your 15 year old daughter to sit down and share some cocaine with you? Seriously- we can't keep alcohol and cigarettes away from kids determined enough to get them. How can you expect we will keep drugs from the same kids?

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by Hoagie58

Have to say that I am very disappointed in this "decriminalization of drugs" conversation. My biggest argument, and trust me, I have plenty, is how you would propose keeping narcotics away from children? Am I to believe that you all want a bunch of 12 year old potheads running around? Would it be ok for your 15 year old daughter to sit down and share some cocaine with you? Seriously- we can't keep alcohol and cigarettes away from kids determined enough to get them. How can you expect we will keep drugs from the same kids?

This is the same logic as saying that "Gun Free Zones" keep guns out of shopping malls, schools, banks, or anywhere else. A law is not going to prevent anyone from doing anything. Granted yes, I know there are people who do not smoke pot strictly because it is illegal, but the majority of people who smoke it do and would whether or legal or not.

This includes the 12 year old pot heads and the 15 year daughter. The drugs today are QUITE accessible and decriminalizing would serve to break down violent crime rings among many other things.

Like you said, we can't keep cigarettes and alcohol out of kids hands today either. So what good does a law do to prevent that?

[pink caddy]

Why? Because we live by the Rule Of Law in this country. Plain and simple. If we would live in a lawless society then let's make robbing banks OK for the poor. Breaking into homes OK for the homeless. X rated movies for all to see no matter what age. Kidnapping children for those who want more children.

Of course I am bringing this to the max but where do you draw the line and more importantly why draw the line there?

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by johne482

Why? Because we live by the Rule Of Law in this country. Plain and simple. If we would live in a lawless society then let's make robbing banks OK for the poor. Breaking into homes OK for the homeless. X rated movies for all to see no matter what age. Kidnapping children for those who want more children.

Of course I am bringing this to the max but where do you draw the line and more importantly why draw the line there?

Understood, and you sound like me sensationalizing a topic.

Kids are not the main concern here. If they were, alcohol would never have been lifted out of its prohibition.

The primary issue is crime. The prohibition of alcohol is a prime example of how a society reacts to a substance, prohibited versus non prohibited. You could expect the same results with the decriminalization and regulation of marijuana.