Section 8 and Crime in CLT---Cause and effect relationship? (environment, showing)

[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by angels09

Section 8 can only play a small part of crime, however crime was conceive way befoe Section 8 came to pass. Why do we want to put the blame on Section 8? Because of low income families, lets be real, we know every house hold is not mentor to have two parents to raise their children or child. Basically it's always one single parent in regards to raising their child or children. Which means someone or somebody will get into trouble by leaving the house without following rules. On the other hand we have trouble teens and adolescents trouble on every hand, which means they are looking for love in all the wrong places. Most of these teenagers turn to gangs for a substitute of love that a parent can not give because of survival trying to make a living. Now that we have all of this money store up through the government. What do we do? We transfer it over to politics, V-Dot, Roads, Lottery, and Etc. So it tells the american man or woman that the struggle must go on. You can't afford to fight the system, so the system make way for the Drug Dealers to come into low income neighborhoods to sell their product. Products that make a young man believe he can make money or get rich. He deals it on the corner and take a chance of lossing his life or killing someone else or taking a beat down. Likewise, the police department comes in to arrest whoever, but it doesn't change the next person from doing the same thing. What happens? The community or neighborhood becomes "Ghetto" but what about the children? No where to go, to play, or sometimes to hide. Why can all this money we spend for foolishness help build a better place to help low income families that are not alike. Sure there all bad apples in a lot of baskets, we as mentors need to know to let those bad apples turn sour to throw them away if they do not want to change. Change comes to better ourselves and our children. Everyone is not born Rich, Wealthy, with a silver spoon to pass on. So I can not say I blame Section 8 for all the crime that is committed everyday. It takes a Village to raise a child, so it takes love to cover A multitude of faults. Amen.

lol....there are so many things wrong with this post, i don't even know where to begin...

hey, call trena, i bet she can help...rofl...

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by angels09

Section 8 can only play a small part of crime, however crime was conceive way befoe Section 8 came to pass. Why do we want to put the blame on Section 8? Because of low income families, lets be real, we know every house hold is not mentor to have two parents to raise their children or child. Basically it's always one single parent in regards to raising their child or children. Which means someone or somebody will get into trouble by leaving the house without following rules. On the other hand we have trouble teens and adolescents trouble on every hand, which means they are looking for love in all the wrong places. Most of these teenagers turn to gangs for a substitute of love that a parent can not give because of survival trying to make a living. Now that we have all of this money store up through the government. What do we do? We transfer it over to politics, V-Dot, Roads, Lottery, and Etc. So it tells the american man or woman that the struggle must go on. You can't afford to fight the system, so the system make way for the Drug Dealers to come into low income neighborhoods to sell their product. Products that make a young man believe he can make money or get rich. He deals it on the corner and take a chance of lossing his life or killing someone else or taking a beat down. Likewise, the police department comes in to arrest whoever, but it doesn't change the next person from doing the same thing. What happens? The community or neighborhood becomes "Ghetto" but what about the children? No where to go, to play, or sometimes to hide. Why can all this money we spend for foolishness help build a better place to help low income families that are not alike. Sure there all bad apples in a lot of baskets, we as mentors need to know to let those bad apples turn sour to throw them away if they do not want to change. Change comes to better ourselves and our children. Everyone is not born Rich, Wealthy, with a silver spoon to pass on. So I can not say I blame Section 8 for all the crime that is committed everyday. It takes a Village to raise a child, so it takes love to cover A multitude of faults. Amen.

Wow. Just wow.

First of all, if you even come back here to read this thread again, which I pray you do, - it's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BIRTH CONTROL.

People should not be having children THEY cannot afford to raise and just expect that the whole "village" is supposed to raise them instead. Your whole mindset has been poisoned by a welfare mentality - please do try to do some reading and learning about how people in the real world live, your life can be so much better if you do. Amen.

[TheEmissary]

Originally Posted by carolina_guy

lol....there are so many things wrong with this post, i don't even know where to begin...

hey, call trena, i bet she can help...rofl...

If that was a CMS graduate, there ought to be a few teachers lined up and shot!

[Miker2069]

Originally Posted by angels09

Section 8 can only play a small part of crime, however crime was conceive way befoe Section 8 came to pass. Why do we want to put the blame on Section 8? Because of low income families, lets be real, we know every house hold is not mentor to have two parents to raise their children or child. Basically it's always one single parent in regards to raising their child or children. Which means someone or somebody will get into trouble by leaving the house without following rules. On the other hand we have trouble teens and adolescents trouble on every hand, which means they are looking for love in all the wrong places. Most of these teenagers turn to gangs for a substitute of love that a parent can not give because of survival trying to make a living. Now that we have all of this money store up through the government. What do we do? We transfer it over to politics, V-Dot, Roads, Lottery, and Etc. So it tells the american man or woman that the struggle must go on. You can't afford to fight the system, so the system make way for the Drug Dealers to come into low income neighborhoods to sell their product. Products that make a young man believe he can make money or get rich. He deals it on the corner and take a chance of lossing his life or killing someone else or taking a beat down. Likewise, the police department comes in to arrest whoever, but it doesn't change the next person from doing the same thing. What happens? The community or neighborhood becomes "Ghetto" but what about the children? No where to go, to play, or sometimes to hide. Why can all this money we spend for foolishness help build a better place to help low income families that are not alike. Sure there all bad apples in a lot of baskets, we as mentors need to know to let those bad apples turn sour to throw them away if they do not want to change. Change comes to better ourselves and our children. Everyone is not born Rich, Wealthy, with a silver spoon to pass on. So I can not say I blame Section 8 for all the crime that is committed everyday. It takes a Village to raise a child, so it takes love to cover A multitude of faults. Amen.

Hmm, I don't think (or rather didn't find) that angel was saying anything about having lots of children or lack of personal responsibility (maybe the "village" quote threw everyone off).

I think he was simply saying that crime didn't appear as a result of section and won't entirely disappear if it went away. I also read there are good people who are helped by the program. However no one is denying that it is abused and has become a haven for the criminal element in the city.

[Palmetto Heel]

Originally Posted by Miker2069

Hmm, I don't think (or rather didn't find) that angel was saying anything about having lots of children or lack of personal responsibility (maybe the "village" quote threw everyone off).

I think he was simply saying that crime didn't appear as a result of section and won't entirely disappear if it went away. I also read there are good people who are helped by the program. However no one is denying that it is abused and has become a haven for the criminal element in the city.

Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[TheEmissary]

Originally Posted by Miker2069

Hmm, I don't think (or rather didn't find) that angel was saying anything about having lots of children or lack of personal responsibility (maybe the "village" quote threw everyone off).

I think he was simply saying that crime didn't appear as a result of section and won't entirely disappear if it went away. I also read there are good people who are helped by the program. However no one is denying that it is abused and has become a haven for the criminal element in the city.

I agree with you Miker. If the original concept of Section 8 was adhered to, with its pre-screening of applicants who would actually benefit, it might have been a lot more successful. But in its current implemetation, its nothing more than a socially-engineered recipe for creating mini-suburban slums. Which begs the question, of what would you do with the remaining element of people who have not the slightest desire to be upwardly mobile, in any sense? Build more projects? That didn't work. I'm not sure what the answer is anymore. I once saw an interview with a 14 year old kid who said, "Why should I work at MacDonalds, when I can make $500 a night selling crack?" How do you change that mentality?

[Palmetto Heel]

Originally Posted by TheEmissary

I once saw an interview with a 14 year old kid who said, "Why should I work at MacDonalds, when I can make $500 a night selling crack?" How do you change that mentality?

The kid was absolutely right. The only way to change that particular situation is to take the profit out of the drug trade by legalizing crack.

[TheEmissary]

Originally Posted by Palmetto Heel

The kid was absolutely right. The only way to change that particular situation is to take the profit out of the drug trade by legalizing crack.

Palmetto - In my "late middle age", I, like the late William F. Buckley am reaching a similar conclusion. I'll be back in a while, I have to go on Amazon and order the Blu-Ray second and third seasons of "Weeds" - my new favorite show! Ah Memories!

[Miker2069]

Originally Posted by TheEmissary

I agree with you Miker. If the original concept of Section 8 was adhered to, with its pre-screening of applicants who would actually benefit, it might have been a lot more successful. But in its current implemetation, its nothing more than a socially-engineered recipe for creating mini-suburban slums. Which begs the question, of what would you do with the remaining element of people who have not the slightest desire to be upwardly mobile, in any sense? Build more projects? That didn't work. I'm not sure what the answer is anymore. I once saw an interview with a 14 year old kid who said, "Why should I work at MacDonalds, when I can make $500 a night selling crack?" How do you change that mentality?

Yes, in theory it would help those who really need it, and reject those who don't need it. There's an entire ecosystem built on section 8 and other types of programs. There are those who take advantage of it and "work the system" so to speak and at the other end is the section 8 landlord who really could care less how the rent is being paid, if it comes in all $5s,$10s, etc. as long as the money is paid by the first of them and the $50 late fee is added to it- it's all good. In fact there was a prominent former member of this forum who was well respected, but also made a lot of money in flipping that type of housing for that purpose- so it's happening all around us, yet caught in the middle are the people who really need it.

In this case the answers have to come top down. Greater due-diligence on who gets it, time limits, and greater fines for property owners who look the other way.

The news will always show the kid that always makes that comment, it rarely will show the one who's trying to do the right thing. Anyway, I understand the overall sentiment and frustration people have and how they feel if it could be eliminated that crime would be reduced and there would be property improvements. My only real point on this is that don't let your frustration make you so hardened that you totally overlook the people that honest to God need help and want to help themselves.

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by Miker2069

Hmm, I don't think (or rather didn't find) that angel was saying anything about having lots of children or lack of personal responsibility (maybe the "village" quote threw everyone off).

I think he was simply saying that crime didn't appear as a result of section and won't entirely disappear if it went away. I also read there are good people who are helped by the program. However no one is denying that it is abused and has become a haven for the criminal element in the city.

Agreed Miker - the "village" comment will make me see red every single time It is worth mentioning there are many in section 8 housing who themselves become victims of crime, not criminals - it's just rough all the way around sometimes. The whole set up just make crime a more likely outcome, that's all.